Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor and consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapist talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:39
Hey, hi, how are you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:42
I'm good. Thank you. I'm getting ready for my trip.
Martin Furber 0:44
Oh, which brings us nicely in line with what we said we'd talk about today. Self care.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:50
That's right.
Martin Furber 0:51
Self care for people self care for hypnotherapists self care for anyone
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:56
Yeah, absolutely
Martin Furber 0:58
Brilliant. Okay, great stuff.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:00
But self care is a big issue. Like I've just decided I'm not going to take work with me. I ripped everything off my laptop and put it on my main computer. So although it's physically quite heavy, it is extremely light my laptop right now. I have nothing on it, but I will be able to get on Zoom calls and I won't download things like Movavi I'm not going to do that kind of editing but I can I can play with Canva if I've got downtime, and I've got nothing else to do that's interesting, and my husband tends to go to sleep early. And I can take this little camera with me so I can do stuff if I feel like it which is sort of like a vacation.
Martin Furber 1:38
But will you really be switched off?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:41
Don't know.
Martin Furber 1:44
Will you switch-off and get in the moment.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:48
Yeah, I suppose so, It is difficult though, isn't it? And I think that is why I wanted to talk about it that this is... You know I and eight other doctors wrote that little book about self care. It is self care isn't just 'Oh, go get your hair done'. You know, have a little moment for yourself. It's actually spending time and really thinking about what you as an individual need.
Martin Furber 2:14
Do you know the risk of sounding really sexist? Maybe this is a man thing but it took me about two hours of looking at your book title to realise what it meant when it said self care is not a mani-pedi? And it's written by nine doctors I'm thinking obviously some technical term and then realised Oh manicure-pedicure.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:32
Yeah, it is it's also a language issue perhaps because that's a very common expression here.
Martin Furber 2:37
Yeah, maybe it is over here with people who have manicures and pedicures. As I said, 'Self care it's not on mani-pedi' I'm thinking oh 'doctor-speak' you know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:46
Yeah, I gave up on manicures when I became a doctor you wash your hands too much - It's too much aggrovation. But, what sorts of what sorts of things do you do that you consider self care and you carve out some major time in the weekends for things that you and Nick do, right?
Martin Furber 3:06
Yeah, self self care for me is our Sundays are sacred, we always go for a long drive somewhere no matter, whatever the weather, invariably we'll probably end up somewhere that's a nice coastal walk. Or we go to a garden centre. Because of course, Nick's mad on his plants and his garden. And we just have time together, and my phone, it's not switched off, but it's switched to silent. And unless I could see it was an emergency I will not answer. And that's something we've made sacred since we came out of the shop because even then on Sundays, we didn't make time for each other and it's important. We don't particularly do anything special. It's not like we go for a meal or something, well occasionally we do, it's just having together time. Just nice quality together time without any outside interference because you know, as well as I do when you do this kind of profession, when you work for yourself, there's always work to do. And it's so easy just to carry on the next day and the next day and the next day. You know, there is always something to do and you're doing it for yourself. So it's important, I think to set you know, set that hard line and don't cross it so far so good with a Sunday it's very, very rare I have actually done anything, you know, I've stuck to it. Other than the fact that on a Sunday morning, around about six o'clock I do, long before Nick's up, I do spend a couple of hours, plugging this podcast, as it's released on Sundays.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:46
It's released on Sundays, yeah.
Martin Furber 4:48
So I sort of let everybody know on Facebook and LinkedIn land that the latest episode's out, but other than that, and that's just usually when I'm having my breakfast and my coffee anyway waking up, sit down, type out...
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:51
And, if you didn't do it, it wouldn't make much. I mean, yes, the people in the groups wouldn't, wouldn't be reminded. But mostly it's been coming out now several weeks. Oh, yeah. People probably wouldn't notice it that much. Yeah. And we're all in different time zones.
Martin Furber 5:12
Yeah, probably. It's just a habit I have got into of doing it every Sunday morning.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:15
Right. Right. One of my major ones is during the week is I go for a walk, I'll finish it. I wear these bone conduction, headphones, I find them really comfortable. But I am I am physically aware. I'm aware when I take them off, that they were there, you know, it's like, oh, I had a headache. No, I don't have it now. No, it doesn't. It isn't painful. But I sort of, okay, take the headphones off, I grab my phone in case somebody wants to get hold of me and I go for a walk between each client session or the next meeting that I have or recording with you. So that there's some some downtime, but just some physical activity. During the day, of course, if it's raining, if it's raining a little bit, I'll go anyway, because I like walking in the rain, but if it's tipping, I'm not gonna do it. Because it's too much hassle to get ready to record again.
Martin Furber 6:08
Yeah, I do a walk six mornings out of seven. As a rule. It's after I've had my bath and got dressed. But before I have breakfast, I just find it gets everything going. Where I live, it's about a one mile walk downhill into town. I usually find some excuse to go down there, whether it's just to buy a fresh pineapple that day, because, there you go, there's another one of my self care things, I eat a pineapple every day, just my thing. Don't ask me why, I just do, I love them. So, I walk down there every morning, and then it's a one mile walk uphill back. And by the time I'm home, then I'm ready for my breakfast. So that's yes, if I get a chance through the day, and at this time of the year, I must be honest, you feel less inclined to do it. I like to go for a walk in the daytime as well. Depends if I am working from home or I'm over at Preston or I'm over at Blackburn.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:59
You take the opportunity to go to that lovely park near your office.
Martin Furber 7:03
Oh, in Preston? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:05
It's beautiful there.
Martin Furber 7:05
Well, there's the park that's nearby, it's about 300 metres away. But directly opposite is the gardens, Winkley Square Gardens, which are nice, especially in summer, because people just go and sit there and take their sandwiches and things. That's always nice. But yeah, I like to do a walk in the middle of the day if I can, especially if I'm working from home because there's a duck pond down the road, about half a mile down the road, and I go there and feed the ducks. I've not seen them lately, actually. I don't know if bird flu has got them or not. Other self care, what do I do? I like to do some breathing exercises in the daytime. I wouldn't call it meditation as such, because I'm not particularly clearing my mind. I'm just concentrating on the numbers. My favourite one is doing in for seven, hold for seven out for seven. It suits me. Because as you know, I've got, whatever it is. COPD and bronchiectastis and asthma, a gob full of lung complaints anyway. So that breathing one suits me. in for seven, hold for seven, out for seven. I know some people do something where basically they're breathing out for longer than they're breathing in.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:07
Right.
Martin Furber 7:40
Like 7 -11, in for seven out for 11. That kind of thing, which is great. But as I say I've tried all different numbers and lengths of time over the years, and I just find 7-7-7 really is great for me. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:27
And of course, your body will just do that automatically now, so, you can think of something else. You don't have to sit and count, unless you want to.
Martin Furber 8:37
I suppose it is my way of clearing my mind actually because I'm just concentrating on the numbers.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:42
Do you do any what we call waking hypnosis? Do you do any awake-alert hypnosis, I think it's usually called.
Martin Furber 8:51
Only in the sense of, and this is something I do, occasionally, I'll put these earphones in. And I'll go on to YouTube. And I'll think of one musical track that I particularly like, top of my head, something by Blondie, for example. Put that on, and then I follow the recommendations that come up after that so you never know what's coming up next, and I might listen to four or five tracks in a row. That's my nearest thing to waking hypnosis. I don't I don't listen to music while I'm walking, no.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:26
Okay, well as you know, part of the reason that I brought this up as I'm, we're going to visit our son in Flagstaff. We fly this Wednesday. We fly this week and we'll be back at the end of next week. And I am determined not to work while I'm gone. But of course my brain will still be going I'll probably be taking the photographs, 'Oh that'd be nice on my website' 'That will be useful in a video' 'That'd be...' But, I don't want anybody else's timetable affecting my time, well my son's obviously. I want to be able to disconnect from that, to not, to not have to look at my calendar.
Martin Furber 10:02
Quick alert to our listeners and viewers, Denise has just spent the 10 minutes previous to this recording telling me the work she's going to be doing while she's away!
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:14
Different kind of work! On the plane work! - Because on the plane, nobody can phone me, there's nothing else to do. It's the one... I used to really enjoy travelling because it was, it was just a space that you had. And that's no longer true. It's not even really true on the on the plane anymore. Because some, some carriers, you can use the limited phone service, and you're never away from your email anymore. And it's really important to not constantly be at people's beck and call.
Martin Furber 10:47
Absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:48
It's difficult because obviously, I have family all over the world. And they're all in different time zones. And an emergency may show up. But an 'emergency', remember I was an ER doc. I'm serious, if it's an emergency, it's act right now. It's for most people, it will be nice if you vote speak to me now, but you could also speak to me in a couple of hours or next week.
Martin Furber 11:12
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:14
It's that sense of immediacy that we all have. And if people panic, if they don't have their phones with them.
Martin Furber 11:20
Yeah, it's that sense of panic, that sense of immediacy, yeah. Somebody, who shall remain nameless, used to have a habit of phoning me, and if it didn't answer, after about 10 rings, they put the phone down, and they'd ring again. And they'd ring again. And they'd ring again until I did answer and that used to drive me insane.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:42
Because you were deliberately not answering or..?
Martin Furber 11:45
Because I was in the middle of doing something maybe and I was unable to answer.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:50
Unable because, because, I mean, it sounded like that should be 'I can't talk now - I'll call you back'. That would at least put paid to the constant ringing. Yes, I do like the new habit that people have now of texting before they call. For most people.
Martin Furber 12:06
Yeah, is it convenient to chat now? sort of thing? that kind of thing?
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:09
Yeah, that's helpful. Because then you don't have to look at it. It's a different kind of alert. It's a different ring, that different noise that my phone makes, which is helpful.
Martin Furber 12:20
How do you know, when you're away, that you are relaxed? What, what little thing, do you do that you know, then you're in the zone, and you're relaxed?
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:29
To be perfectly honest, we don't go away often enough to have a routine for away. We don't tend to go on vacation. We'll go see some friends. We do more day trip stuff anyway. Yeah, we're in a very convenient area. And we can get to New York within a couple of hours and get to DC. There's a lot to do around here. And my husband's schedule, is very erratic, because he does contract work. So if he's, if he's working with a contract, he can't really go away, except for the odd weekend, and then everybody else was away for that weekend, so that's expensive. So let's not go anywhere. Let's enjoy the quiet here. But I'm getting better at leaving my phone. I don't feel that, the, quite as much urgency, as I used to.
Martin Furber 13:21
Do you know how I know when I'm relaxed, and I'm away, even if, even if we're on a day out somewhere? Not necessarily away on holiday, how I know I am relaxed and I'm.....because I'm quite happy to go shopping... No, no, no, I do not see shopping as a leisure pursuit. I hate shopping is one of those. It's one of those necessary things.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:47
A little bit of gender preference. And it does depend on the type of shopping I mean, grocery shopping doesn't excite me that much, unless it's a new locale. But pretty much these days, if I'm in Britain, it's the same shops, they're just the prices and the tax base that is different.
Martin Furber 12:17
How do you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:02
There's
Yeah, that's that's more what I would consider window shopping. Like if I see something I like maybe I'll pick it up but but you know, I mean, the 'get these things done', so that you have the rest of the day to do all the other things and to kind of you know, go grocery shopping, so you're set for the week and you know, going out and buying clothing sometimes it's really boring shopping. You have to have something like this weekend, I had to go get a coat because it's snowing in Flagstaff. We're not into winter here yet. In fact, we're having very, very strange weather. It's in the 70s the last couple of days here in Delaware, and it's, it's November. It's wrong. It's lovely, but it's wrong.
Martin Furber 15:09
I'm just looking now, it's 12 degrees centigrade here. So I don't know what that is in 'old-money'. It's about 55, something like that, I think.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:17
Yeah, I can't do the math in my head either. But yeah, but it's considerably warmer here. I've got my windows open to air the house out. So, it's the opportunity here and I don't have, I have neither air nor nor heating on. Yeah, so I'm, that's, I do find travelling. Once I'm on the plane, I'm fine. But I find all of the 9 million different combinations of fares and all that stuff, I find that very stressful. And I think that maybe, maybe old age, and maybe they're just more choices than there used to be. I don't remember it being quite as stressful, but I have more, more variables. When I was younger, I was travelling for me. I didn't have to worry about meshing with somebody else's timetable. So now I've got to work out whether something works for my husband, works for the person, that's gonna take me to the airport. Works for my son is going to pick me up at the other end. Whereas, before, it was just it was like catching the bus get on a plane.
Martin Furber 16:17
Yeah, yeah. This is what we're led to believe about plane travel in the states anyway, you know, it's like getting the bus sort of thing, everywhere is so spread out and you hop on hop off. I've seen it in the films, people who are not travelling are allowed up to the departure gate, aren't they?
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:33
That's no longer true. It used to be. That, that really is since since 2001, a lot has changed in that those days are gone. But that does cut down on the number of people milling around, it helps a little bit. I'm not a nervous flyer, but that is something that I think comes up quite often for hypnotists, is fear of flying. And I wonder sometimes, if it's just the kerfuffle, around the flight that actually makes people more nervous.
Martin Furber 17:01
I was gonna say that the actual thing of getting into the airport checking in, going through security, now, I mean, it probably wouldn't have made the news over there. But there were some horrendous problems over here this summer. Manchester Airport for departure is horrendous, sort of four and five hours to get through departures and security and people missing the flights. And one thing and another, all that side of it, I think it's actually worse than the flight itself.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:29
Yeah, that's the part that I'm not nervous about TSA, but just remembering not to put your shampoo in your carry-on, you have to put it in your bag. I used to I used to, I never used to check luggage, but I've had to in the last few years because it's just too complicated otherwise.
Martin Furber 17:48
Yeah, I mean, Nick flies over to Belgium fairly frequently. He doesn't travel with baggage itself, it's just hand baggage only because otherwise it slows you down by an hour at the other end waiting for your baggage.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:01
But of course, if you go somewhere frequently, you sort of have a second home or sort of an outpost there.
Martin Furber 18:06
He's visiting family. So he's got a load of stuff over there anyway, he doesn't need to take much with him.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:11
What other kinds of self care things though? Do you... What kind of things do you see with your clients that are either a result of not taking enough care of yourself, or them taking enough care of themselves? Or where hypnosis can help them to establish this set of habits that might help?
Martin Furber 18:34
Okay the biggest thing I see obviously, stress and anxiety, and it which is caused by negative thinking usually, but if you... Once you start talking to people start looking into their lifestyle, you can see a lot of them don't make time for themselves. Don't make time to get in the moment. Don't take time for that nice, brisk walk through the daytime. Don't make some quality time for themselves. When they do have a bit of time in the evening, they're just sat there watching television invariably eating things that are bad for them. That kind of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:11
That's the thing too, a lot of, but this is for me, because I've had a bad day. So I'm gonna eat a pint of ice cream. That that is it might in the moment feel like self-care. I'm doing this for me. It's my it's like sleep procrastination. And like I can't pronounce It's a Chinese word. But, staying up late just because you can, you've finally have got the house to yourself. That that sort of thing. It feels like you're being good to yourself, but you're not.
Martin Furber 19:44
Especially when you're talking about the pint of ice cream. It's like you know, it might be what your tastebuds want but what does your body want?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:50
Or need?
Martin Furber 19:53
Or need, yeah, more to the point need. You have to discover other ways of caring for yourself. I mean, that's all part of it, when you do hypnotherapy for weight loss, asking people what they would do instead of, you know, that constant food comfort thing. What would you do instead? What could you do instead? And I think a lot of it in terms of self care, and another one is daft as it sounds, is being tidy. In terms of self care, if people feel stressed, if people feel overwhelmed with things, it becomes self perpetuating, you can start letting over things go and the whole thing just snowballs. I always say to people, is there anything you could tidy up? If you can't tidy to the kitchen tidy a drawer. That kind of thing. Is there anything you could tidy up that you would feel better afterwards? And I try and get them...
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:46
Because you think that if you open the drawer, and it's tidy, if it's organised, that sort of helps them feel more in control of life?
Martin Furber 20:55
You do, you'll feel better? You know, it's a very old saying, 'tidy desk - tidy mind'.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:01
Right, but we also have that strange ability for the brain to ignore things. That pile of rubbish has been there for so long, it no longer exists. It's just subtracted from from the, until you fall over it.
Martin Furber 21:15
I'll ask you the same question that I asked clients. Can you remember a time when you didn't particularly want to tidy something out, whether that's the garage or the spare room or something, and you've put it off and put it off? And then you actually did it? And when you did it, you felt really good for it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:35
Oh every time Yeah!
Martin Furber 21:37
Because there's a certain feeling, that certain feeling of satisfaction you get when you've completed that task, especially in terms of tidiness.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:45
And actually now there's a point, it's like paying off debt or anything and if you get the small wins, you do a drawer and celebrate that you've done a drawer, don't walk in and say I'm gonna clean the kitchen. And, it's overwhelming and it continues to be overwhelming. So you just need to narrow your focus.
Martin Furber 22:03
That's what I said if you can't tidy the kitchen, tidy a drawer.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:05
Right. Well, I think but rather not. If you can't, you can't do the drawer. Don't take off more than, because otherwise you've got everything on for a sec, going through, you know sorting your clothes out, and you take everything out of your wardrobe. And then the phone rings and then you go back and you just got everything's out of the wardrobe and it's just...
Martin Furber 22:05
Yeah, and then you've got to put it all back!
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:28
Because even more higgledy piggledy than it was to start with because you've got to go cook dinner now or whatever
Martin Furber 22:33
So yeah, other self care things. Yeah, as we were saying before before we actually went on air today. Your book 'Self care is not a mani-pedi'. OnceI had sorted out what mani-pedi meant and for our British listeners and viewers, it's manicure pedicure. Self care is not a mani pedi, I was quite interested to see all the different things by nine different doctors including yourself. One of them whose name escapes me now was one about sorting out your finances as a form of self care.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:08
Elisa Chiang,
Martin Furber 23:10
Yeah. Yeah.
I was not expecting to read that in a book by doctors about self care, but it makes so much sense. It absolutely made perfect sense to me.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:21
And the amount of stress that people get from that. Yeah, and she's not saying don't spend money save it. Save it, save it.
Martin Furber 23:29
No, no, not at all. She's just say get it in order. Yeah, what one stood out for you out of all of them or is it unfair to ask you to choose one?
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:38
It's very difficult. I love Judy's article, which she, I almost wanted to take it to the title. But I'd already set my time on her is self care is not a monolith. She starts it by saying she's watering the garden. And she's just allowing herself to think back, she started a garden with her kids. During COVID, the freedoms locked down. And so she talks about those aspects of self care. And I think all of the people in the book, they're not saying you must do this. This is something I do for this, this helps me you might want to try it, there was a strong emphasis on meditation. Or at least on being quiet. We do have science definitely, science behind knowing that just silence just for a moment or two is really beneficial. We're bombarded all the time with bells and whistles and you know. We need, while not necessarily silence, go out into the woods and listen to some birds.
Martin Furber 24:38
Forest bathing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:39
Yes, yes, forest bathing is big. Yeah. And actually, that's another thing that's just, you know, literally hugging a tree is quite beneficial for you to be out in nature or just to look at nature and if you can't get out in nature, look at pictures of nature. All of those things are very beneficial.
Martin Furber 24:58
Talking of pictures of Nature. Have you come across it where they said about studying fractals in nature.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:09
Oh, fractals?
Martin Furber 25:10
Yeah, fractals. So you look at the tree, and then you follow the branches and you follow the little twigs and then you follow the leaf. And the patterns are repeating, repeating, repeating going smaller, or you look at it with a snail shell, you start to look at the imprint going round and round and round. That was part of something I did on my studies, about studying fractals, and getting into the moment really studying those and they were quite fascinating because when you look at the, the shape and everything, the formation, the structure of the tree, when you look at the human lung...
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:44
Yeah, that's quite scary.
Martin Furber 25:45
Yeah that is quite scary. Because they're quite similar. Yes, as you were saying, If you can't get out into nature, get some fractals up on your computer screen, Google it...Nature's fractals.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:59
So, I'd rather have I had a book than... this, I love my computer. I really do. Especially with my big screen now I can see things so much more clearly. But there's something to be said for not being on all electronic device, at least for part of the day. At least have some time, when it's just your energy that's doing something.
Martin Furber 26:19
Oh, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:19
But, do you find cooking relaxing?
Martin Furber 26:27
Yes and no, I've got to be in the mood for it. If I'm in the mood for it, I like to cook a meal totally from scratch. Absolutely from scratch, and cooking it, and I enjoy doing it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:40
But it's very different. It's very different when it's A your job - if you're a chef and I mean, you probably enjoyed it to start with but it's different if you're gonna have to have dinner on the table by six because we got to do XY and Z this evening. And you know, there's no, there's that pressure to do things, just doing things for the creativity of it.
Martin Furber 26:58
What else do I do for self care? I like going to get pampered at the barbers once a fortnight.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:05
Okay,
Martin Furber 27:06
So is it a Mani-Pedi!
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:07
OK, But that...It says on mine...But my conclusion was that... Do these things...And if if your thing is getting a mani pedi that's fine. Yeah. But it should it. The reason I chose that it really comes around out of the 50s. 'Oh the little woman's been working so hard - Go get your hair done dear!' I mean, those, it was that sort of feeling.
Martin Furber 27:31
Yeah, go make yourself look pretty for your man! Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:36
It was, or that's, you know...
Martin Furber 27:39
Thankfully, things have changed since then.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:42
Right, though, or retail therapy, which is a fairly common term now. But yes, sometimes it's nice, but mostly the window shopping part of it, because if you run up your credit card, you're gonna have different kinds of stress. Yeah. Most of us don't need it. So that's, that's my plan for this week. I will be taking off at the airport on Wednesday with my spouse. And a friend's dropping us off. So we haven't got to worry about will the taxi arrive on time? And then we're stopping in Phoenix and taking the Greyhound to Flagstaff because there's a significant difference in price point.
Martin Furber 28:19
Okay, how long's the journey?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:21
It will be nice? It's just shy of three hours. There's a few stops. Yeah, there'll be a few stops. But there'll be nice because we'll see the little towns on the way up.
Martin Furber 28:29
No. Okay, 3 hours insn't too bad.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:32
We also climb. I don't know what's Phoenix is in the valley, but I don't think it's the bottom of the valleys. But we will ultimately be 7000 feet up. So I would expect the first day to be pretty exhausted.
Martin Furber 28:45
And the air's thinner, you'll sleep better.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:50
Perhaps, perhaps, But, yes, so that I do know that we'll be going to the observatory. And that's another lovely part of nature to look at. Because they have so much less light pollution there.
Martin Furber 29:04
I was just going to say, are we talking night-sky observatory?
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:07
Yes. Yeah.
Martin Furber 29:08
Oh, fabulous.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:10
Yeah. But apart from that, of course, the season, because the winter season hasn't really started yet. And summer is really truly gone. It's snowing there. It snows the day before we go, but then it won't for a few days.
Martin Furber 29:24
Okay, so it's snowing in Arizona and it's in the 70s in Delaware. Yeah, I think the weather's up the spout!
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:32
It's supposed to snow up in the mountains dear! It's a big ski resort. I would be quite upset if it wasn't.
Martin Furber 29:38
I just keep thinking Arizona I'm thinking you know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:41
Right. Yeah, you're thinking Tucson and cowboys.
Martin Furber 29:43
Yeah, and 10 foot tall cacti.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:45
Yes. Yes, we might see a few of those but so that's that's how my next 10 days will go. I am planning on doing lots and lots of things to put out the fire so that when I get back I can get on with my work, but I'll report back to you whether I actually turn off completely. You'll see. If I send you messages Martin, we should do this... Martin we sould do that... Thanks for chatting, Martin. I'm off to pack.
Martin Furber 30:14
Oh, yeah, have a great time. I'll see you when you get back.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:18
Thank you so much. Bye
Martin Furber 30:20
Bye bye
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:28
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Martin Furber 30:45
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