Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Cheryl Elman 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:37
Okay, welcome to another edition of two hypnotherapists talking, and Denise and I have got hypnosis royalty as guests today. We have no other, we have no other than Larry and Cheryl Elman in the states and I'm absolutely delighted beyond words that you've joined us. Thank you.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:55
As am I.
Cheryl Elman 0:57
Thank you. So now it's two by two hypnotists.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:02
Yes, yes, double the hypnosis. But I think we should start way back when... Larry, obviously with the name Elman, you've known about hypnosis for quite some time. Could you give our listeners just a little taste of what it was like growing up in Dave Elman's house or on the road with Dave?
Larry Elman 1:25
Yeah. Probably the thing that will amuse most of you most, and may put this in perspective. My father had been in Vaudeville, and when Vaudeville failed, which would be around 1920, he found himself unemployed in New York, New York City. And at that time, in New York City, a fast way to get yourself arrested was to either be or claim to be a hypnotist. So he never mentioned it. If you're in Vaudeville, you need to be an understudy to the adjoining acts. So somebody gets sick, the show must go on. In fact, I remember from age three being told the show must go on. So he never told anybody and he spent several years as a musician, songwriter, actor, etc, etc, trying to move into radio, which was the big coming technology. And he finally gets a radio show started in 1937, called Hobby Lobby. So my father wanted to put a hypnotist on the radio. And the lawyers of the network and everybody got all panicked. What happens if somebody in the audience driving a car goes into trance and kills themselves, we'll be sued. My father thought this is an avoidable non-problem had to pretend he was not a hypnotist knew nothing about it, and convinced them. So he's done a job on this. And meanwhile, as I say, he had not admitted to being a stage hypnotist. So finally, in what I believe was the first show of Hobby Lobby in 49, he has, as his guest, a hypnotist who proceeds to blow his act. He's got a dozen people up on stage, half of them don't go into trance. He gives a suggestion. It's ignored. Now meanwhile, I'm at that point. the parents thought I was asleep in the car. But of course, you know, kids, they're not asleep in the car. They're listening has heard my parents discussing the fact that if the show gets blown, we lose a sponsor. We're out of work. So I'm sitting in the studio audience watching this, and I'm nervous. And suddenly my father steps forward and says, Mr. Whoever it was, you've done such a wonderful job. I'll bet these people would even take suggestions from me.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:16
Larry Elman 4:16
He knows that he's in trouble? And he says, The next voice you hear is, will be David Elman do whatever he says. And he runs off stage. And my father immediately goes into his old Vaudeville act and it works. Of course. No reason it shouldn't. We go to the garage to get the car to drive home. And as we get there, my mother stands with her hands on her hips. Her head slightly tilted, her body slightly tilted. It's a position that everybody in the family knows. When mom gets into that position. She's got a..
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:56
Larry Elman 4:56
She's..'So Dave, how is it that you know more about hypnosis than the hypnotist?' And I see her ask that question. I see my father turned brick red and say, because I was a stage hypnotist and that was the first time that my mother knew this. They've been going together since 1921 or 22. This is 49, they been together 27.
Cheryl Elman 5:24
So you know how some movies start in the middle? So I would just like to pan back, so that we're in 1949. Now, how did Dave get interested? How did he even know about hypnosis. He was born in 1900 in Park River, North Carolina, North Carolina, North Dakota, we're in North Carolina! in North Dakota. And then he was quite young when they moved to Fargo, which is where he grew up. His father, Jacob Kopelman, and his last name is actually Kopelman. And when he was in showbusiness, the, it was too much, too many letters for top billing on the marquees. So he had dropped the K O P and it just became Elman. So his father was a hobbyist and very fascinated with hypnosis, and, and had books and so Dave happened to go to, went, and his dad hypnotised somebody for stuttering. And he, while the person while the child was in hypnosis, they stopped stuttering. But as soon as he brought them out, he had no concept of post hypnotics and how to structure them. Suggestions. So it went away. So Dave was like, well, this doesn't really work. And then, when he was eight years old, his dad had cancer and, and was in a lot of pain and couldn't get out of bed. And as a hypnotist, stopped by the house, we're not quite sure who, there's been discussions on who it could have been, but stopped by the house to visit Dave, Dave actually had a travelling salesperson business. And he saw Jake.
Larry Elman 7:20
Cheryl Elman 7:20
His dad, sorry,
Larry Elman 7:21
Cheryl Elman 7:22
And he would go to different towns, and he would, and he would meet hypnotists from Vaudeville trips along the way, too, so he got to know people. So this person came by and hypnotised him, and really dulled his pain where he was able to get out of bed and, and, and play with the kids and actually left on a trip to, you know, bring in some money to do some collections and he died on the train. But what Dave saw was how hypnosis had changed his father and taken away and dulled the pain enough that he was able to get out of bed for the first time in a long time. That stuck in his mind. So at eight years old, whenever everybody was, you know, claiming what they wanted from their dad. Dave claimed, the hypnosis books, so, but he started teaching himself and reading and it was Hyppolyte Bernheim that he read, and and read how he could, if you hypnotise somebody this week, and they would go deeper, and then the next time you hypnotise them, the next week, they'd go even deeper, quicker. And then Dave in his, in his youth was like, Yeah, but if you just hypnotise them and send them out to the waiting room and brought them back in and hypnotise them and took them back out to the waiting room, and then he was like, But wait, why don't you just put them in hypnosis and bring them out? Take them down, bring them out. Thus was the Dave Elman induction, which he never called the Dave Elman induction. He called it the three minute routine or three trips to Bernheim because it was Hyppolyte Bernheim that he got the concept from. So that started it, he practised on, on kids in the school yard, you know, and then he sort of had that subside because that many, not many fathers wanted their daughter dating a hypnotist. So it was, as he would put it with stunting his social life, Larry would have put it that it stunted his sex life. So you know, here it is, like years later. So that is how it started. And then when he was in vaudeville, you know, they have to be able to play a variety of different characters. So hypnosis was one of them. He played the violin. He played the saxophone, he did comedy, you know. And so, he was in vaudeville, you know, today or back in my days, the kids wanted to run away to the circus. He wanted to run away to vaudeville And then it picks up where he was in New York and he loved radio, he would pick up all different kinds of jobs in radio. And when some doctors came up to him and told him that he would, they would like him to come and teach them Hypnosis. He goes, I don't know anything about medicine. But Larry, do you know the three things that they told him that he had?
Larry Elman 10:27
There was this committee of doctors, all of whom had been to multiple of his shows. And they'd seen, what their point of view was a pattern. When he said, I don't know medicine, I can teach hypnosis, but get somebody else because I don't know medicine, they said, we were going to tell you the three things you got with hypnosis that are important to a doctor, and why we're asking you. First of all, you have a very rapid induction, all of the members of the committee had been through a hypnosis school that was used by the doctors in the area. But hypnosis school taught that an induction takes 20 to 40 minutes. You don't have 20 to 40 minutes per patient, it isn't available,
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:19
You don't even have that now for the whole appointment!
Larry Elman 11:22
Exactly! And they said, so your induction takes a matter of seconds, or at worst, a minute or two. We've seen that on stage repeatedly. That would make hypnosis available for the doctor. The second thing is, the hypnosis school taught us that only 40 to 60% of humanity can ever be hypnotised. That makes it unusable for the doctor because he doesn't know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:55
Who it is
Larry Elman 11:56
Or can't be. But we're watching you get between 95% and 100 means you know, something they don't. And finally, and this is the important one every post-hypnotic you've given on every show we've seen has been followed. If a physician gives a post-hypnotic suggestion. It needs the same reliability as the prescription script that you hand to the patient to take to the drugstore. If you can teach us those three things, you have taught us medical hypnosis.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:31
Larry Elman 12:33
So the course opened with those three things being what was announced, and what was pushed. I attended the course starting in about August of 1950. Which means I was probably in the third or fourth course that he gave. The introduction, that those are the three things we're going to concentrate on. With dad at that point saying to the doctors, remember, you know, medicine, I know hypnosis, I want the class handled like a seminar, in that I want you feeling free to ask questions, or to bring up ideas. I will learn from you as you learn from me, because if you look back at society at that time, physicians were way up here.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:25
I know I missed those days!
Larry Elman 13:27
They were totally respected. So for this guy off the stage, to say I will respect you, meant that they should respect him.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:40
Martin Furber 13:40
So, so sorry. Can I just interrupt you there, Larry? Would this, this, time period that would coincide with when the American Medical Association and the British Medical Association, both state...What were the statements they made Denisec about using hypnosis in medicine?
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:58
Well, they all said that, but both of them said it should be part of the standard medical education, it should be part of our general armamentarium just as drugs and surgery are. So this should be, and it's, again, it's complementary. The problem is when people try to make it...Everything gets very, very popular it could do this, or it can do this. And now it can do the laundry and it can do this. And then and then it fails to do one thing. And it's like, throw it all out again. And just so fed up with this. We're constantly reinventing the wheel. This is such an incredible you have to check this out. I'm on my soapbox. This, this is the point of hypnosis. It helps a job to support their patients so they can follow the things they need to do for effort because everything affects your health. Your attitude to your doctor affects yourself. Placebo Yeah, terrible word don't ever use. That's 50% of medicine. You write them a prescription, the placebo of writing them a prescription does a lot of the work. Anyway, sorry, you're not interviewing me! Talk to Larry
Larry Elman 15:06
What you're pushing... we're simpatico.
Martin Furber 15:10
Exactly, yes. And I'm leaving it all in.
Cheryl Elman 15:15
You know, it is interesting because in medicine, if a doctor makes a mistake, you know, they may get to, they may be, but they don't automatically lose their licence, and they don't automatically all around the world go medicine doesn't work!
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:31
Cheryl Elman 15:31
As you were saying, Denise, that when you when, when there's an incident with a hypnotist, maybe they did something beyond their scope of practice...
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:44
And I was thinking, actually, most of the, the bad press that we get are when people are doing stage shows for freshmen at university, and they've got a huge audience, you can't monitor such a huge audience or somebody will have an abreaction. Not dangerous, unpleasant, but not dangerous, with no real sequela to be pretty medical, but it gets plastered in all the newspapers. And unfortunately, that means that people say, Oh, that won't work that. Hello pussycat!. And so yeah, I must admit, I have a prejudice against stage shows. But not because I don't respect the abilities of those hypnotists. But because I worry that, that so many people see them and think that's a trick, you know, that you almost need, like, here's this little booklet of what we're doing today. So people can know more about what's actually happening.
Cheryl Elman 16:44
You know, but in a stage show, there's all you know, they're all hypnotists are created equal, some of them are more equal than others. Same thing with stage hypnotists, you know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:56
And it also depends on what you want out of the experience.
Cheryl Elman 16:59
Right? Right. So for some, for some people, I would totally disagree on the stage hypnosis, I think it's got to be done, tastefully done. And very DP. And, and, you know, and I always think that is a good stage show has somebody also sitting in on the sidelines. So if they are seeing an abreaction to something...
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:25
And again, one, one person, if you've got 200 people in the room isn't going to be very helpful.
Larry Elman 17:30
When dad started teaching, he bought the heaviest damned medical dictionary that I think was ever printed. It was huge. And it went with him to every class. And every time a word came up in the class, that was in medical journal jargon, read the definition and memorise it every single time. So that by the end of the year or two of this, he spoke medicine as well as the doctors did.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:01
Larry Elman 18:01
If they brought something up, he didn't understand, Dr. So and So would you please explain that there may be specialists in the room who are in a different field view. He had quite a way of getting it explained to everybody and getting everybody on the same track. And I was there for that type of discussion, again, and again and again.
Cheryl Elman 18:21
So I just wanted to say one of the things when Dave was teaching his course, as he would come up with some newer, evolving techniques of his own, because, as he taught, Larry took the course three times it kept changing. But it was the doctors themselves, that would field test the concepts, and they would come back with new techniques that they came up with, there was a paediatrician who came up with the idea of the magic spot, which was for kids. Especially back in the days where it had alcohol in the pad, and they would wipe them when they got the injection, he put some colour food colouring in there some dye and told them that this was like the magic, the latest magic potion and they will not be able to feel a thing, that is just not going to bother them in the least. And then he taught the kids how to move the spot from here to here. Or maybe they skin their knee and they can move it to there. They got to keep their spot. And it was phenomenal. So he shared that and other doctors started doing it. But the funny part of it was that weeks later that a lot of, he got to his office and they were parents lined up because they wanted their own magic spot.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:45
We're gonna segue into touring the world with the Elmans go on.
Cheryl Elman 19:51
Exactly. This is the exact thing that we're talking about. Because when we were touring the world and we have taught in seventeen countries, some of them two, three and four times over the last 13 years. So we actually started the touring in 2011. So, in doing this touring most of these people were already hypnotists. And they were taking our course, as an additional. So I think just like anything, if somebody were to, if somebody were to go ahead and go to medical school, and they never did any continuing ed, or they went to the basic medical school, you know, if you've ever talked to specialists, we have some specialists in our family. And if I have something like a general question, you know, one's an OBGYN. So if I call and I said, you know, I have a medical question, she'll say, Well, if it doesn't have to do with the vagina, I can't help you. So so, you know, or, as opposed to if somebody is more of a GP, they've kept up with more? Well, it's similar if you've taken your hypnosis course, and you're not doing things with it, and you're not continuing to take additional courses and additional training, that in itself is going to make the difference between a good doctor and a great doctor, or a doctor and a great doctor or a hypnotist and a great hypnotist. It's very important to learn different techniques to fill your toolbox to keep up in medicine with the latest and greatest tools and, and procedures that are out there that people have discovered.
Martin Furber 21:51
Yeah, absolutely. Cheryl, over here in the UK, the two main associations that I've joined the National Council for Hypnotherapy and the Complementary Natural Health Care Council, both insist on a specified number of CPD continued professional development hours per year that you've got to do these extra courses. Because you never know everything that there is to know there's always something else to learn. There's always other people to learn from.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:18
And there are always people developing further...
Martin Furber 22:21
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:23
The Elman induction is a great basis. But there's lots of little twiddly bits that you can add, that in with some clients, will help them more and that's the other thing you have to know. People, each person is different. So you've got to have more than one string to your bow.
Martin Furber 22:39
Oh, absolutely. Getting back to what you were saying about in training, etc. Having the clinical hours experience before you're let loose on your own. It's you know, it's it's vital that you get those those clinical hours in training. But I'm not sure if we're up to that bit yet or not. But I'm intrigued to know more about this Dave Elman legacy conference that's happening.
Cheryl Elman 23:01
So this is our second conference, the first one we did in June of 2021. And it's like Larry's 84 Today it's his birthday...
Martin Furber 23:10
Happy. Many happy returns.
Cheryl Elman 23:12
And I'm now 70, and we want to keep Dave Elman's legacy, his teachings, alive. And there are some as you said, Martin, there are some countries where people aren't even aware, or that aware of Dave Elman techniques, his induction, which only takes anywhere from one to four minutes. It's built on tests and convincers. And so people are afraid to test because what if they...
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:39
Might get it wrong?
Cheryl Elman 23:43
Yeah, that's part of our training is all the troubleshooting you can do and what do you do if... And, and his overall client centred techniques, instead of just reading a script that could be good for good for everybody and nobody, you know, so, you know, sometimes something comes up in a script and you're hitting somebody's fear. You know, what, what one person safe place is, is another person's nightmare. So, you know, not everybody wants to be on the beach. They're gonna be there. For someone else. Yeah.
Martin Furber 24:23
That's your thing, isn't it Denise?
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:24
Yeah, yeah, my first time I was hypnotised by a fellow student. I had never been hypnotised before, and I do want to talk about how you your first experience with hypnosis. So that's really important. But my first experience was a fellow student a few months ahead of me, and of course, and he's very American, and I am despite having lived here for almost 50 years, I'm still pretty English. And he says, and we're going to the beach and so I'm picturing, you know, a childhood beach, and he said, and you walk over to the fire. And I'm like what the hell's a fire doing on the beach... It snapped me right out of it. It's so weird. So anyway, sorry, I digress. Please tell me Cheryl. Cheryl, tell me when was the first time you were hypnotised? Because it was not when you met the Elmans? It was quite a while before, right?
Cheryl Elman 25:16
Correct. It was in the early 90s. And I decided to stop smoking. Actually, I got hypnotised once before that. So it was in the Early in the 80s, mid 80s. I went to a group hypnosis session down in Fort Lauderdale area, and for smoking, and I did stop smoking. I was two and a two to three and a half packs a day smoker back then. I was a serious smoker, or was burning out in the ashtray or I was lighting my cigarette and there was still one in the ashtray. So yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:57
Sounds like me with coffee,
Martin Furber 25:58
Been there done that!
Cheryl Elman 26:01
So, so I I started playing shortly after, you know, holding somebody's cigarette, oh, let me light that for you. You know, I just played what they would call, you know, playing on the tracks so to speak, they would put in a...And so I stopped...I started smoking shortly like a few weeks later, I was back to where I was. So when I was in New York, I decided, I really wish I went on it for a one on one I really wish I remembered the name of the person who hypnotised me, because years later, I'd probably get to meet them. I think I had two sessions, and I had stopped on the first and never started again. You know, I went for the second one, and I was already stopped. And I had and I never picked up another cigarette again.
Martin Furber 26:56
Cheryl Elman 26:57
Yeah, and I think, you know, I meant to look this up. And I forgot, I did a chart of if I had continued smoking, how what would I have spent? And I did it in the yester year price. But I also did it in what's that evaluate to today in today's dollars or pounds? And it was like an eye opener, it could have bought a house.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:24
And part of what you, part of what you probably didn't add, was what were the added medical costs you would have had? Had you continued to smoke.
Cheryl Elman 27:33
I had a heavy, heavy, heavy cough. In fact, I lived two floors above the rest of the family and I would wake up in the morning, you know, I feel good. I didn't cough at all last night. No, you can hear me two floors up. You didn't? So. So. Yeah. And the smell and, and you know, there was just so many things I really did like about it. And the more I didn't smoke, the more I loved being a fresh air breather.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:07
Just, just a second though. I hadn't heard the story, of course, the story of Larry's mother and her hands on hip moment with her husband. But you had a similar not quite as strong. But a similar response when you found out that Larry was...could you tell that story very briefly?
Cheryl Elman 28:24
Absolutely. When Larry and I started dating, he went to a nutritionist, and actually he lost 80 pounds, 82 pounds going to this person. He had gotten there the week before. And he was looking at a certificate from Gerry Kein up on the wall. And so she's looking at him looking at the... and at the certificate and she's going Elman, Elman, Elman. And he goes 'Yes I'm the son' So now she knows he knows hypnosis. Right? And the next week he, she wanted to meet the person that he eats with most because my husband's a rocket scientist literally. But at the same time when she told him he needed to eat protein. He said, What's a protein? So we had to finally tell them if it had a mother
Larry Elman 29:24
I wanted to know - what is a protein?
Cheryl Elman 29:26
If it had, if it had a mother it's probably protein. And then there's all the plants and stuff but we didn't want to talk about that. So, she had me come because I was, we were eating either eating out together or I was cooking for him. So we had become friends, we got married a year later, but we were, I only wanted to be friends. And so, so while I was there, she had been a ballroom dancer and she had, she had hurt her foot, and she hadn't been on... or a leg. And she hadn't been able to dance for a while. Now the doctor said she could do it and she had fear of hurting herself. So she asked Larry to hypnotise her and I'm like...And I felt like a child as they sent me out to the waiting room, so that Larry could hypnotise her. So Larry came out, I said, Excuse me? Hypnotise her? How do you know how to do that? And because I knew his father had Hobby Lobby, and that he'd been in vaudeville, sort of like, same thing, you know, how did you know how to do that? Same as Pauline. And so there, there are a lot of parallels, similar parallels between Pauline and Dave, their relationship working together in business, same as Larry and I, as we've gone through the same similar thing. So that is how we, we, I got to know about hypnosis.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:56
But, but even but even when you were both still working then. This is pre-retirement, yeah. You, you both had different non-hypnotic careers. And you still weren't practising hypnotists at that point. You weren't even trained, at that point. So there's another vignette that we really have to have, is that how you got there?
Cheryl Elman 31:18
Well, Sean Michael Andrews, is a hypnotist that we have a lot of respect for. He is a huge Elman fan, and he was researching and he's also a top researcher, you know, and knew about research from his field. And he was gonna find Dave Elman's sons. And he found Larry via our, via his little computer company he had in Florida and also working for aviation, doing aviation history for our mobile arts and craft company. And so he, he discovered him and he called and he was up in, up in Maryland, and he asked Larry, if he can come and interview him. And he got there and the two of them sat in this library for hours and hours.
Larry Elman 32:13
And I said to him, do you know any place that teaches this? And Sean, who was very easy to embarrass, turns brick red and says, I own a school of teachers...I just registered.
Cheryl Elman 32:28
And, and so it and then it started, as I was learning, Shawn got Larry, up as a guest speaking spot at the NGH conference in 2009. And Larry knew that people had made inquiries over the years of, you know, his dad and and in his dad's teachings, but no idea until we got there, how iconic he was, you know, and, and it was just such an eye opener. And so then, when, you know, the boards, message boards, and boards and, you know, Facebook didn't exist yet. But there would be groups like Hypno thoughts, and I, I was afraid to get on to any of those things because they would see my name Elman and think I knew something. So I avoided that for, you know, about a year and I kept, I just kept grabbing all the education I could, we went to five or six conferences and started speaking because I started to say, oh, there's gotta be other places to speak. And I started researching it. And then it was actually Valerie Austin, who was, had visited last night on Larry's birthday, bash. She was from London, and she did a conference at the Shepperton film studios and invited Larry to speak. And that's where I met Sheila Granger. I mean, who you know, I've been working with her, so have you Denise for years. And so, and it just opened our eyes and we still did a little of the aviation history. It was actually sort of good timing because the crash had happened and grant money that that for a lot of the programmes we were doing had dried up. So now it was like, Okay, well, let's do hypnosis. And it started growing and we've been doing it since so our conference is based on bringing people I think our first run we had 90 speakers from 20 plus countries. We have speaking doctors, dentists, psychiatrists, psychologists, hypnotists, NLPers, Reiki, so we have taken all the little things that have branched off from overall, overall hypnosis and complementary medicine and have people come in to speak on it and do panels and it's not doing videos and just going in downloading the videos and watching them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:15
Although, although you can do that too, you are able to, well, you can't go to all three rooms at the same time.
Cheryl Elman 35:22
You can't, but that will be the videos will be up maybe a week after you know there'll be up there so they can get cut because it's 90 hours of instruction. And so but also the chat rooms are open so you could talk to people in the rooms and then we have a fourth room called the Dave Elman internet cafe.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:45
You can show people that photo, if you like, at least on the YouTube side of this. Yes, the Elman cafe where you can meet hypnotists from everywhere.
Martin Furber 35:54
Cheryl Elman 35:57
And this way, you really get to network and get to talk to the speakers. So we actually have this year when we put out for speaking engagements, we asked people who would like to be moderators and who would like to be baristas. And so they'll actually be speakers from the conference being the baristas. And then we'll have some scheduled things, events in there also. So it's great. And this year. The first was how did Dave influence you. And this one is more, looking at the theme of it this time is evolving hypnosis together, you know, and that's what we do. We exchange ideas. Every time a hypnotist is out there speaking about hypnosis, all of a sudden there are people in the area that are looking for a hypnotist to help them with different things. So they do have their purpose, Martin, it's just...
Martin Furber 36:56
Oh, absolutely like, yeah, I am, I'm open to supporting each other. And I absolutely agree, you know, providing the right message is put out there, it doesn't matter who's putting the message out there. It helps the whole profession.
Cheryl Elman 37:08
Yeah, exactly. So...
Denise Billen-Mejia 37:10
I do think that we need to message needs to be yes, you could be a hypnotist. But you know, make sure you've really trained in it don't just..Take takes a weekend course, it's a taster. It's wonderful! My foundation course, which was free was a one month course that the school was then offering as a promo. And I did that. And and by week two, it was... This is what I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life! But then I went and took a full course. I think for most people, including physicians, it takes a while to learn to learn how to manoeuvre in real time, doctors have an advantage because they've been manoeuvring in real time with patients, you know, doing other things because things change all the time and everybody's different. But you still need to give your skills a chance to mature before you let loose on the rest of the population. Thank you so much for joining us today. It was wonderful. I really, really appreciate it. And for anybody who is curious about the Elman legacy conference, links to register, or at least to take a look at the syllabus is below in the show notes on both the podcast on the YouTube channel.
Cheryl Elman 38:25
Absolutely. And thank you both.
Larry Elman 38:27
Thank you very much.
Martin Furber 38:29
Oh our pleasure. Absolutely, our pleasure Thanks.
Cheryl Elman 38:33
Denise Billen-Mejia 38:41
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Martin Furber 38:57
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