Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber, in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Hi, today, our guest is Les Roberts, who is I'm really happy to...and we didn't talk very often, and I'm really excited about having her chat to us, because her specialty is children. But my friend Martin is feeling a bit under the weather, but say hi, Martin.
Martin Furber 0:58
Hi
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:00
And, Les, why don't you introduce yourself a little bit to the audience, and talk about how you got into hypnosis.
Les Roberts 1:09
Right. So thanks Denise, and thanks Martin, for inviting me. I fell into it by default, really. I was working for the NHS, in paediatrics but under the umbrella of OT, occupational therapy, physio, and speech and language. So, an integrated targeted service. And I became ill and had a few bereavements in our family and everything. And to cut a long story short, I lost my job. And I had, I didn't know what to do, but I'd already done a course on NLP. And I absolutely loved the way, you know, the NLP gets you, you know, talking and thinking and acting. And I thought , well, stand-alone, it's not going to get me, you know, a business really is it. So I was just on Facebook and fell upon this course. And didn't go the first time decided it wasn't for me. And then it popped up again. And I'm a huge believer of the law of attraction. So I thought, okay, let's give it a go. So I went to the free weekend. Absolutely hooked and that was it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:28
Where did you train?
Les Roberts 2:29
I actually trained in Manchester, which is probably about 30 miles from me. So, actually trained for a school in Manchester, and well, they're not based in Manchester, they're based all over the place, but they have like satellite schools everywhere. So, and then when I qualified, I'd already started to see people. And then I thought you know what, I've got 14 years of working with children from an OT physio and speech point of view. Why not use my skills?
Yes. Yeah, absolutely, and much needed, Yeah, they are. But they also they their problems also tend to get though Yeah, they'll grow out of it. It's not. They're very resilient. Yeah, but they do carry it with them. So where are you based? Exactly.
I'm based in St. Helens, which is in-between Manchester and Liverpool.
Martin Furber 3:34
So she's about 20 miles down the road from me. Yeah, yeah, we are very close.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:39
Maybe it's maybe it's Sheila's influence, but it seems to be a heck of a lot of hypnotists in your area.
Les Roberts 3:45
Not really in our area is there? They're more towards...We're based sort of Lancashire way. And they're more on the Yorkshire side, aren't they?
Martin Furber 4:02
Yeah, they're more over the other side of the Pennines.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:04
My previous southern experience. I lived in Salisbury, born and raised in Salisbury. So to me, it's just a swathe of unknown territory. Like anything you know dragons, dragons live beyond, yeah. Birmingham.
Martin Furber 4:20
Anything north of Watford and you get culture shock! SO, Les, do you primarily see children with your hypnosis work?
Les Roberts 4:31
I'm hoping to but not at this moment in time. Because as you know, I'm private so, you know it all down. It's all down to the parents to see if they've got the finances to pay. But I still see adults and I think I will continue to see adults. But, I would like the balance to shift from children up here. Adults down here.
Martin Furber 5:04
Yeah, I mean, I've been looking, sort of like with real interest at this work you've been doing with children over the school holidays, which is about their mental health and well-being. And you've been doing all the classes with that. And I was looking at some of the well-being things that you were doing because you were putting them up online. And, you know, it all really ties in with hypnosis for children, doesn't it? All the kinds of things about, you know, dreams and wishes, and it's all, you know, positive future visualisation in one form or another, which is, you know, is all hypnosis and what have you. How do you find that has gone with them?
Les Roberts 5:49
Oh, it's fantastic. Like I said, just before you pressed record, it's absolutely exhausting. However, it is so rewarding to watch the children come in. And they don't want to leave the parents, you know, what, we have a policy parents do not stay. Because there's no room. You know, because we have 10 children in each classroom, there's no room for parents to stay. Plus, also, it's a case of, I feel that they may be distracted if the parents are there. So the parents are not to stay. And doing a group of 10 children, they seem to bounce off each other all the time.
Martin Furber 6:33
Yeah.
Les Roberts 6:33
And they can, you can see them, not just forging friendships, but also seeing how others react to what I talk about. But bringing in the crafting is just so that they're not just sat there twiddling their thumbs listening to me, because they'd just space out if we did that. So, but the crafts like you said, are all with the topic of like putting the worries to bed, the dream-catcher - so that we didn't say it was to catch negative dreams. Our purpose was to catch wonderful dreams and nice thoughts, so that it hangs up at your window and it stops all those not very nice dreams coming through and things. So yeah, like I said, it's very tiring. But it's very, very rewarding. And I was very fortunate that because I'm a CIC company, which is a community interest company, I can apply for funding from anywhere, from the lottery, from any charity. But this funding was from the Department of Education and our local council.
Martin Furber 7:45
Yeah, yeah, I noticed that. And of course, that is that is a glowing endorsement, you know, for the council to sponsor it.
Les Roberts 7:51
Oh definitely, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:53
Are these programmes that you put together? Do you see the children sequentially? Or is it one off?
Les Roberts 7:58
Yeah, they can attend, say, Christmas, we held the classes for eight days. They can attend for the eight days they can attend in the morning, and in the afternoon, but the morning and afternoon are repeated, you know, on that particular day, but no, they can turn up for as many sessions as they want.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:11
And because it was funded by the council, was it free to the point of service for the kids.
Les Roberts 8:23
Free for the children to attend. Also, because I apply for the funding, and when I apply for the funding, I also apply for extra funding. So we can give them what we call a well-being box. And in that well-being box are all the activities for the whole of those eight days. And they get to take them home. All the instructions are written out so that if they don't attend, you know, say Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, but only come Thursday, Friday, then they've got...
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:57
They've still got that.
Les Roberts 8:58
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:00
Have you found that any parents are so delighted with the response of their kids they've that they've wanted to bring them back for more in-person?
Les Roberts 9:08
Yes. I've actually got a few children to see from the back of the summer ones. And I've had a few inquiries from the Christmas one as well. But we've got one going on in Easter as well. So they run three times a year they run Easter holidays, which is, is that April, March?
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:28
It depends on the year.
Les Roberts 9:30
Yeah, summer and Christmas as well. So we we run them three times a year. The funding is only available I think for the next two years. So I'm just going to, hopefully, make the most of it. However, I will tell you though, on the back of it because I've forged these really good friendships, not friendships, relationships with the people at the council. I've also been invited to do a few bits and pieces for the Dark programme. which is the domestic abuse. You know, after the perpetrator's left. How you know, we can help to strengthen those relationships between the child and the parent.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:15
Excellent.
Les Roberts 10:16
So I've got I've got that and I also when we did some, we made some little eye masks with lavender with the ladies who completed the Dark rehabilitation course. So fingers crossed, it will get a little bit further.
Martin Furber 10:31
This is really brilliant specialised stuff. As I said, I was following it with great interest, all the different crafting classes and things that we're doing and seeing the logic behind each actual activity and where it was coming from. And I was really enjoying and following it. Anyway, Denise, as you know, was a paediatrician and she has said, On more than one occasion on various podcasts when we get to talk about children. They're all hypnotised little beings till I think you say till about eight or nine years old, don't you? So, I was just wondering if we could talk a bit about actually when hypnotising children how you find it compared to hypnotising, an adult,
Les Roberts 11:18
The same really, but easier...
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:20
Faster!
Les Roberts 11:20
Because we, as we get older, we forget how to use our imagination. But if you think about it, when you read a book, you get engrossed in that book, don't you actually are on, on those pages reliving, you know, because I remember reading a book and I have streams of tears running down my face at this one particular book. And, but as we get older, we tend not to do that as much. Whereas children, children do have that ability to fall in and out of Self-Hypnosis so much quicker than us.
Martin Furber 11:55
Do you think as adults that's part of our inability to get in the moment, as we get older, as you say, when you were a child and you're reading a book, you can be so absorbed in it. Whereas as an adult, maybe less so. For some people, maybe, they do still get engrossed in a book.
Les Roberts 12:13
I mean, I do when I read books, I get engrossed, and films and things, I really get engrossed in things. But I do think it's our lifestyle. Because we're so busy. You know, we don't tend to find that time-out for us and everything. It's just a quick, you know, I'll read a few chapters in my book, or I'll do this and I'll do that. There's no time to do it. When children are playing, aren't they?
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:40
But that is another aspect of a child that's not really hypnosis, but. But kids that tend to be over scheduled, that we're taking away, but because of the availability of educational materials, on screens everywhere and programmes that the why or whatever, they tend to have less time to just go lie under a tree and look at clouds or whatever else, whilst they're thinking about whatever they're thinking about. Do they come? Do they come to you always through this sort of funnel of the of the group programmes? Or do they come in individually, parents will call you and say, Could you see my..?
Les Roberts 13:14
Parents will call me, I'm actually doing some work with two children in one of our local schools. And, the reason why I'm in there is because their foster parent knows me and has said to school, we you know, we need some help here. You know, so she said, and I know a very good therapist who will come down and help. So I've just, I've just got six weeks with two children in a school, which is fantastic.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:46
May I ask, what is the initial presenting issue?
Les Roberts 13:50
They're fostered and they're in long term Foster. And, and it's their past, their past isn't great.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:59
How's how is it impacting your school? Are they just disruptive or withdrawn?
Les Roberts 14:05
No, they're quite withdrawn? And the eldest will say, there's nothing wrong with me, there's nothing wrong with me. I'm fine. But they're not. As you can tell in different you know, when when, like, they came to the groups, and they were making things and I never say, Let's make Mother's Day cards, let's make cards for your parents. Because I'm aware that I do have quite a lot of looked-after children coming in. And you could just tell there is, you know, there's just something there. I think you just have to go with your gut a lot of time when you're working with children don't you? And they're quite happy for me to go in. I've already been in last week. And they're quite happy that as long as I don't interfere with their break-time. They're quite happy for me to come in.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:55
Get your priorities right!
Martin Furber 14:57
All right. So I'm intrigued to know Les. Okay if an adult comes to see any of us as therapists for hypnotherapy that they have a preconceived idea of what it's about. And we've generally spoken with them beforehand to explain there's no swinging watches, this that and the other, it's, you know, deep relaxation, it's focused concentration, it's whatever. What do children expect, you know, if they're going to see? Do they think a hypnotist as in, you know, what they've seen on television? Or do they ask what's going to happen to me or?
Les Roberts 15:33
I don't, to be perfectly honest. I don't really hypnotise the children, I use sort of waking hypnosis, if you can call it that, where we just use their imaginations. But as you hit the older side, you know, the older children like teens, and evenything. Then, I will explain to them though, you know, that it's using your imagination to imagine that you're somewhere where we can make those changes. Explain that, you know, it's a much deeper level, but the same as I would with adults, they're in control at all time.
Martin Furber 16:05
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the thing that we all, you know, get across to our clients all the time, isn't it? They are in control at all times. To me, it's the one biggest sort of misconception people have about hypnosis,
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:22
I think I'm going to try and challenge myself to say not that you are in control that you can be in control, because some people just seed control to others and go through life without not realising that they have that. So what we need to tell our clients is that you can be in charge of your own life, at least till the government steps in!
Martin Furber 16:46
That's a whole other podcast Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:50
Do you do any medical hypnosis stuff? Any kids with medical issues?
Les Roberts 16:55
I've done...When you say medical, do you mean with any illnesses?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:01
Yeah, organic? I mean, obviously, mental health is medical too. Yeah, but, but things like kids with pain.
Les Roberts 17:08
Yes. I've done that. Actually, the, I have, the two children that I see in the school, the reason why their foster parents have recommended me is because I saw their son on his last few weeks of life. So yeah, so that was quite a while ago, that was before I actually qualified in hypnosis. And I just went to see him and use you know, neuro linguistic programming to help him get over his nightmares really, and you know, to relax a lot more. We've we've remained in touch ever since you see so you know, that's the bonus really, isn't it?
Martin Furber 17:54
That's, sorry to interrupt. GT that's that's something again, though, isn't it? That we've never explored the use of hypnosis for palliative care, in helping helping people, you know, make the journey. How it can ease their journey forward.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:06
Right. And there are a few people that's what they do. So yeah,
Les Roberts 18:11
Yeah, I think I've helped children with say issues like hay fever. With pain, I had a little girl who had eczema, very severe eczema, and I helped her. I've also like we said, that the mental health side OCDs and ticks. Yeah, but there's not been a lot of medical things. Pre-medical, you know, if a child was going in for say an operation or going to the dentist and the child then, and a few posts (medical), but not really that many that'd be something that I would be really interested in doing but...
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:05
Hasn't hasn't knocked on the door yet. How long have you been. How long have you been in practice?
Les Roberts 19:12
I qualified in 2016 and then, that's in hypnosis, I qualified 2013/14 in NLP. I did eye-movement therapy as well. And EFT as well, which as we know is is tapping. And then it was, I got the place where I am now. I got this place in December 2019, signed a three year lease and I thought, well, I better get my finger out and start paying the rent. Yeah. And I opened 14th of January 2020. And then eight and a half weeks after - Covid!
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:58
Yeah, that happened to my office too. But I knew that I wanted the bulk of my work to be online. So that was good. Yeah, I do see a few people in their doctor's offices. But obviously, I mean, that's local people. So do you see do you do much online work?
Les Roberts 20:13
I do a little bit. It's becoming more and more popular for you know, my kind of clients. I've actually got one after I finished talking to you tonight. But most of them, I encourage them to come if they can. To see me because my place is big enough. So I encourage them to come in.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:34
And the pool of people you see as mostly local?
Les Roberts 20:39
No, not really, to be perfectly honest. Yes. I'd say 50-50. Really. And I've got people coming from 20, 30 miles away.
Martin Furber 20:50
They in quite a good location, there though as well aren't you? As you're handy for Liverpool, Warrington and Manchester, you've got a big catchment area.
Les Roberts 20:57
Yeah, I'm right off the M62. motorway?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:02
Do you get much support from the medical community or interest from the medical community?
Les Roberts 21:06
No.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:07
But are you reaching out to them?
Les Roberts 21:08
Yes. Every client who comes into to me whether it be an adult or a child, on my intake form, I actually have a little box that they can tick to say I can write to their GP. And once they finish their treatment, I send a letter to their GP. Nothing!
Martin Furber 21:27
Yeah, yeah, that seems pretty standard.
Les Roberts 21:33
I don't know whether it's, the, because we've private that people have to pay. I don't know whether it's because the GP doesn't like to refer people because they have to say, well, you're gonna have to pay. I don't know, I really don't know.
Martin Furber 21:55
Because you're CNHC registered aren't you - the same as me?
Les Roberts 21:58
Yes.
Martin Furber 21:59
So you're on the list that the GPs can refer to. The thing is, as well, with the doctors in the UK, it's what tools they have at their disposal, this is the thing, anybody goes to the doctor's feeling, you know, less than well, with their mental health, what options has the doctor got, oh, they can put you on a waiting list for counselling? 18 months or?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:18
Yes, exactly.
Martin Furber 22:19
Or, they can give your prescription there and then. Again, this is, you know, as we often say, it's that thing, the minute you've got a prescription in your hand. You know, there's the assumption there, there's the placebo effect, oh, I'm going to feel better he has given me a prescription. But it is sad when that is, that whenever that is the first line of defence, that they're able to use. If all they can offer you is something that you got to wait months for them, what other choice do they have really have?
Les Roberts 22:47
But, like you said, Martin, the likes of myself, and you, we're on a register from the CNHC. And they have that register, and they could say, well listen, you know, if you want something for free, you're gonna have to wait. But if you're willing to pay, there we go, you know? Because, it has changed, it really has changed and like you said through since COVID. And now we have these these strikes for you know, for people who work in the NHS, it's, it's absolutely scary.
Martin Furber 23:24
Yeah, I mean, well, what I find strangest of all is if you go on the NHS website, NICE recommend hypnotherapy as one of the first choices for IBS and for other things, as well, but the NHS won't pay for it!
Les Roberts 23:37
They do have they do have their own hypnotherapists for IBS.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:45
But are they in every catchment area, though? Yeah.
Les Roberts 23:49
Not that I know of, but they are, I know somebody who actually went for one of the jobs and she said she was very restricted, in what methodologies what approaches she could use, it was very much scripted, what shehad to do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:07
Well, that's, that is true here. There are several centres of excellence where you can't deviate from the script, which is silly because you're dealing with an individual patient, but it's big from a research point of view. Or you can only change one variable at a time so that that's what they need to do.
Les Roberts 24:25
I totally understand why they have to, they have to, you know, monitor it in one way or other but It seems such a shame that there's so many people out there who are crying out for help, and they're just, they just can't get it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:39
Getting back to children though, do you get recommendations? Are you recommended by schools that you've worked in?
Les Roberts 24:48
It's getting there? Yes, a lot of schools that have been, through the council really. a lot of schools are well aware of who I am and what I do. When, apparently my name is dropped in many, many meetings, which is fantastic. But they're on my side, and they're batting my corner for me because they know the difference in the children. Because whenever I do these classes, because the parents, I give them feedback forms, and then they come to me which I take a copy, and the parents know. And then I give them back to the council. But there's also people who work in children's centres where they have said, you know, I sent, you know, my son or my daughter to Les Roberts's classes, and, you know, they're coming back, the kids are coming back year after year, which is fantastic.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:46
That's nice, yeah.
Martin Furber 25:49
Getting back to when you treat children, individually, away from the classes, you know, and yet when you have them as hypnotherapy clients, do you find yourself being asked for or giving advice to the parents on other parenting skills? Because at the end of the day, you know, children are coming to you with issues? Maybe they've no confidence or something like that. I don't know what issues it would come to you for - but do you find yourself teaching parenting skills?
Les Roberts 26:18
I do, and I might sound really awful now. I have no qualms telling the parent if their behaviours that, you know, making the child behave in that way. I have one lady who came to see me who called her daughter, Mini-Me. She just said, she's just like me. You know, she's anxious. She's this she's that - and I thought, yeah, that's because you are.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:47
Yeah. Yeah.
Les Roberts 26:51
No, I have no qualms whatsoever. I will. I will do that. But Tony and I run a podcast, Tony Gordon, and I 'Parental Diaries'. That's all about how we can help the parents or how the parents can help themselves as far as they're concerned about the children. Because if we think about it, if we can help children to manage their emotions and impulses, and we can teach the parents how to do that, and know it makes our jobs a little bit easier. Hopefully, you know, they won't do such a fantastic job that we won't get any children.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:31
Yeah, hopefully they will. But then we can go off and do just the fuzzy stuff, you know, the public speaking.
Les Roberts 27:39
Yeah, exactly.
Martin Furber 27:42
I'm glad you mentioned that podcast Les, because we'll be putting a link to it in the show notes. Yeah, if you're watching this on YouTube, look in the comments thing, all the show notes are there. If you're listening on one of the other podcast platforms, there are show notes there as well. We'll put a link to how anybody can get in contact with you at your hypnotherapy clinic, but also your podcast as well that you do with Tony Gordon.
Les Roberts 28:06
What I'd like to do in the future, if you don't mind me telling you is we have where I live in St. Helens. We have like, deprived areas and you know, very fortunate areas. In the one of the deprived areas, we have what's called generational unemployment, and it's unemployment where the grandparents, the parents have never held down a job. Don't want to hold down a job probably don't know what to do to get a job.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:40
That's the same thing. That's a comfort thing. That's how, how can I go out? And then they're gonna say no, and I'm gonna feel worse. Yeah,
Les Roberts 28:47
So the children when it comes to year, year 9, or 10, something like that in the senior school, they're asked by school, what, what would you like to do? It could be older. Don't quote me on the years. But what would you like to do? Would you like to go to college? Would you like to be whatever you want to be? And some of these children haven't a clue. They've got no inspiration and nobody to look up to because of what's happened.
Martin Furber 29:21
Yeah. And then that opens up. I mean, because obviously St. Helens is very similar to where I'm from. I'm from the northern towns as well. This is the whole thing over here Denise. Years ago, go back 50-60 years, you could leave school at 16 without having achieved much in terms of formal education, but you'd have a strong work ethic and there was lots of work there that was well paid. If you worked on the docks or you worked in the factories. You took home a good wage and you could keep your family. Nowadays, if you leave school at 16 with no qualifications, the best you can hope for is working in Amazon on minimum wage on nine quid an hour or something.
Les Roberts 29:58
These parents of these Children in this particular area, this is the ex-mining community.
Martin Furber 30:06
Again, same round here.
Les Roberts 30:07
Yeah. And I've been asked by a governor of a school, but he also works in the school as well, to do a little video so that they can present it to the children. So potentially, I could, may hopefully just go in and have a chat with them. I'm still umming and ahhing about it, because I'd rather go and stand up on the stage in front of the kids and say, right, you know, here we go.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:37
If you can get those kids to engage their imagination, these are children who have seen movies, they presumably at least most of them have been able to read a book or at least a comic book, and get some idea of what they want. That's outside of what they see. And there are, of course, exceptional people who do that. There are children who grow up in terrible poverty, and do wonderful things. But the the main thing is, you don't want to be so down and depressed, never mind about, please make money so we can tax you. But you want you want people to enjoy the life they have you only get one.
Les Roberts 31:14
So we'll see. We'll see what's around the corner, you know about that. So easier to fix the child, than to fix an adult with a child's problems. We've only got this now showing on whatever's going on on the TV at the moment. And this book that's out at the moment. Dare I mentioned it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:35
Oh - That one yeah!
Les Roberts 31:38
You can see it's easier to fix a child and fix than an adult with a child's problems. So yeah. And I've got a book coming out soon as well.
Martin Furber 31:45
So tell us tell us about
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:47
I don't know why you just sit around doing nothing all day!
Martin Furber 31:53
Tell us about the book Les.
Les Roberts 31:54
Well, my book, my book is aimed at children and it came about when I was about 18-19. And I was working at a radio station, a local radio station in Manchester, and meeting all loads of people. And you know, and I worked in advertising, it was called traffic, and it was traffic in the commercials. And you listen to these voiceovers all the time, and it does spark your imagination. And so I thought of these characters, and then never did anything with it apart from when my children were little. And Christmas Eve, I needed to do something at Christmas Eve, because I never went out, you know, I was like a mum at home. And they used to like get their baths, all new bedding, all new jamas, you know, and slippers and everything on Christmas Eve. And I used to read them a story. And this story was about these characters. And I did write a few it's so went on for a few years where I used to write different stories with the same characters and forgot all about it because the kids got older, couldn't be bothered to know and I probably got busier. And and then I've been, because I deal with a lot of children. I've been reading a few books and everything I've been looking at them going, I can do that. I can do that. I can do that. So I thought you know what, I'm going to write a book. So that my book is about this little character who is carrying his worries. With him carrying these worries, he's getting heavier and heavier and heavier with his worries. And he goes to Mum, and Mum says, right, I'll help you. So that's the, that's the story in a nutshell. But I'm going to do something completely different. At the back of the book is going to be advice for parents. Two little methodologies, what they can use with the kids and also a nice little script for a bit of relaxation for them. That's going to be in the back.
Martin Furber 34:00
Imagination, metaphors, it's all hypnosis
Les Roberts 34:05
So it's gone to my one of my directors who's an illustrator, and she owes me a favour so it's down to her to illustrate it. And then once it's it comes back, which hopefully it might be the end of the month that can put you into print.
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:22
Oh excellent.
Martin Furber 34:23
When it goes into print, you'll have to come back home again.
Les Roberts 34:26
Oh, yeah.
Martin Furber 34:26
And tell us about
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:27
Absolutely. Yeah.
Martin Furber 34:28
Brilliant, brilliant, can you believe that we're out of time?
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:34
Yes, because we do this every week - It's two hypnotherapists talking a lot as well. Yeah, talking to well really thank you so much. It was lovely to see you again and actually have a conversation because it's usually like three minutes getting to know each other in networking.
Martin Furber 34:52
And thanks for coming on Les. We're gonna put all your details in the show notes. So anybody listening who wants to contact Les, or wants to listen to her other podcast. The details are in the comments below.
Les Roberts 35:04
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:13
We hope you have enjoyed listening. Please remember this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis, and is for educational purposes only. So remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.
Martin Furber 35:29
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