Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapist talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode. Today we're joined by Dr. Eugenia Andrews, who holds a doctorate in psychology, and is a life coach and Clinical Hypnotherapist. Welcome Eugenia. I forgot to say, and you're joining us from Texas.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 0:54
Dr Eugenia Andrews 0:55
Which is great, and you could have joined us from Athens because you spend a good deal of time there too.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 0:59
I'm from from Athens, Greece. Yes. Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:05
Yes. So what are you going to talk to us today about?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 1:08
Oh, my favourite subject. How are you clients have healthier habits have the life they want, have the weight they want, the feel they want. And most of all be happy with how they look how they feel and who they are.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:30
Dr Eugenia Andrews 1:31
So we're talking more specifically about releasing weight. And the primary and most important key is how to keep it off.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:42
Martin Furber 1:42
Absolutely, that is the key thing, keeping the weight off.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:46
Yeah. However, I do think that once people start to lose, and they start to feel happier, it makes it so much easier to keep going. So do you, do you have clients come back to you because they've not been able to maintain it? Or do you have an ongoing programme that helps them maintain their happiness level?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 2:08
And that's part of my own story, if I may talk about that.
Martin Furber 2:12
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:12
Yeah, how did you get there?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 2:14
Yeah, the way I became a hypnotherapist was because I started my practice in the 80s. I had the fear of public speaking, and I was getting invited to be speaking in front of conferences and various networking meetings, and I would get kind of panicky, and so I decided to seek hypnotherapy here in Texas, actually, that was after graduate school. And that helped immensely. And eventually, following the birth of my daughter, I gained 40 pounds, and I sought out hypnosis, and I kept the weight off until the pandemic, when again, and she's sturdy, so she just got married in September.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:05
Dr Eugenia Andrews 3:07
Thank you, I until I gained about 30 pounds because I got very busy I started working globally with all over the world. I trained for other hypnotherapists and it was even forgetting to eat and drink water and then I will have I will eat a big meal at night. And usually sugary things or fast food. And so I, my practice tripled during the pandemic. And so I decided to do something about it because my daughter was getting married September 1 and I needed to lose the weight. I sought hypnosis again. I also did self hypnosis with myself. And I lost 30 pounds easily. And since then I have lost another seven pounds. And I'm now at my you know the weight I carried in my early 40s. So...
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:04
Dr Eugenia Andrews 4:06
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:06
So but just back up a little bit bit more backstory, please. When did you first encounter hypnosis? Did you already know it was useful modality and that's why you looked for it or were you looking for a cure - A cure! Were you looking for help with your weight originally and then found hypnosis?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 4:21
So, when I was in graduate school, I went to school, I think Madison Wisconsin Milwaukee and Milton Erickson, he is from Wisconsin, and some of his protege's and people he trained, hypnotherapists, came to graduate school and did a three day seminar in hypnosis. And I was I was thrilled and I was very intrigued. So I decided this is something I might want to pursue down the line in addition to my counselling that I was, I was starting to do. And so when I, one day, I opened Time magazine at the dorm, and I saw actually on the cover, Frank Monahan who's a hypnotherapist. Was a hypnotherapist here in Texas, who gave me the hypnosis actually for the fear of public speaking. He was Man of the Year. And so that's when I moved to Texas, I sought him out. And, you know, fear of public speaking is the second most severe fear, after fear of death, in the world. So, I think though, for me, the fear of gaining weight was for a long time a major fear. And I think it is for my clients, the fear of gaining weight. You know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:52
Now you're, moving forward in time again. So you've just successfully gotten rid of the extra weight that you've gained, as many of us did during the pandemic.
Martin Furber 6:00
The Covid Kilos!
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:00
Yes, exactly. Do you feel that you're working as much? And you're, are you less stressed, because you're thinner? Or are you...Have you, have things, have things smoothed out in your business? Because the startup when you're, when you're expanding globally is very stressful too? Do you feel like you've got more energy?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 6:24
Oh, I feel I feel like, I feel like before I had my kids, I feel so wonderful. I feel like I did when I was a college student. I am at my best and, and certainly, I am not, by any means, you know, a young person. Here's what I, what I experienced, and I see my clients experience. I first of all, like that, and I teach them through hypnosis with hypnotic suggestions how to do that, how to balance the life. So how to get new habits to balance life at work, and work. So what I did is, I learned and taught myself and through also self-hypnosis, I also hired a hypnotherapist, I'm not going to lie. So you can be having a mentor, no matter how much you know. So my hypnotherapist also made recordings, and I listened to them regularly. And so what I did is I created a life-work balance, I started working less, playing more and be more grounded into my core-being because I'm a playful person. And I'm a joyful person, by by the way, I was born. My DNA is that and so I got back to my core-being That was one. And the other is I let go of the thought of food. I started focusing on other things, family, friends, my work, my client, my hobbies, I was going, I started going to the gym, I started lifting weights, but I was not doing it as an obligation. I was doing it and having fun. I started taking dance lessons. In fact, I started taking ballroom dancing. And I think that's the greater even than gym for me. And that was a lot of fun. So the thoughts of food disappeared. So and here's what I teach my clients through hypnosis, actually, I first of all, through hypnosis, we find out the root cause. What is the set of why, when people did they start gaining weight, and some of them have started in childhood. And the reason that, that was perpetuated, that it continued in adulthood, and we find out what's the secondary gain, there's always a gain, but it's secondary. It's, it's not obvious that and I use my psychology background for that. It's not as obvious to people as to why they're already eating, but through hypnosis, they come to understand the secondary gain, and if I may say in a very simple example. The secondary gain may be the love that my parents gave us and the attention when we finished our plate, or that connection that we have with with our parents still in our heads, which is the subconscious mind actually. And so we feel that if we don't finish the plate, we're gonna lose that love.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:49
Martin Furber 9:49
Yeah, yeah, or perhaps when parents have used food as a reward, you know, you do well at school, you got a big bag of sweets, or you know...
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:59
You get an extra ice cream.
Martin Furber 10:00
Yeah, an extra ice cream or you've cut your knee, there's a piece of cake. So, you know, parents if they've overly used food as a reward that can, you know, people associate that in their subconscious with...
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:15
And there are there are so many layers for their parents as to why people came out of the war or out of the depression. So there's so many things that can affect. So Eugenia, how do you, when when a client first comes to you...You do group work or individual work?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 10:31
I do both now. I'm launching groups online, but I do. I've been doing individual work.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:38
And mostly it's online. I know you do see people in person as well. But it's mostly online now.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 10:43
I have two Offices in Fort Worth and South Lake here in Texas. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:49
So when somebody first comes to you and says, I've been 50 pounds overweight for the last 25 years, what's the first thing you bring up to them? What was the first suggestion you have for them? It doesn't have to be a hypnotic suggestion it can be a regular suggestion.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 11:06
A suggestion right away? I don't give a suggestion. I ask them, what do they think? What do they think has happened? And I ask them more, I get their story. So the story of everyone is very sacred. And what I do, hypnosis is spiritual work, basically. It goes straight into your soul and your heart and your core-being and your major secrets that you may have not even admitted to yourself. So in many ways, this is beyond weight loss. And I believe that's how hypnosis is because I work with 35 other issues. So you have to, I feel very honoured to be working with that client who tells me that they have been overweight for the last 50 years. And I love to know their story. What is their take on it, why they think they gained the weight how they have been living, I also get some background story about their lives, you know, their hobbies, their joys, then the losses. Loss is very important, because grief and loss is one of the primary causes of people getting into unhealthy habits, like over-eating, smoking. So with a lot of respect and a lot of compassion. I ask questions to find out more of their story. And what to is that they think they first of all what they'd been doing. They go on diets, most of them. Yes, they have tried every diet in the book. Or did they, did they use hypnosis before? Very few have! You find people who have they have any history?
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:06
And did it work for them?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 13:07
Yeah, it has worked for them. But that was a long time ago. And since then, some other events interfered and intruded into their lives, stressful events, and those stressful events such as for me was the pandemic.
Martin Furber 13:22
Mm stressful for everybody.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:26
Dr Eugenia Andrews 13:27
Yes, and so, because we were all so scared about...And that's another thing, the fear of having enough to eat enough food drove many people into over-eating, subconsciously so. It was, it was, in this, it was an...
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:46
In coupling that with the need to be isolated also. I mean, you had your immediate family around you, but when disaster strikes, you want your whole community to be with you, when you're going through these things and it was very difficult.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 14:00
Some of my clients also commented on the uncertainty they felt that what is the end? Is it gonna be an end? When is the end coming? Uncertainty. I found many culprits of overeating especially doing that emotional eating. It's one of the major emotions along with anger, loneliness, sadness, grief, boredom, that drives us into snacking. It doesn't seem like over-eating. I have clients that they don't even eat a plate of food in one day, but there is a continuous snacking for them and at night, they snack more and they snack on sugary things...
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:49
Without realising why.
Martin Furber 14:50
Yeah. Eugenia. It sounds as though you're reading out my previous life story, because I had a huge weight problem for years and years and years. That was part of my journey into hypnosis was losing the weight through self-hypnosis. So I can relate to everything you're saying about how clients are. And yes, it's in the subconscious, you eat without realising it, you eat, because you're afraid of something without realising it. In my case, weight was a kind of buffer, I felt more protected against the world with layers of fat on.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 15:30
Yes, women often feel that way, especially if they have had some trauma or some type of abuse.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:39
Yes, keep the predators away!
Dr Eugenia Andrews 15:42
Exactly. And to go back to your question Denise, because I'm digressing. I, I'm excited about this, because I love hypnosis, I feel it's not a solution and an end-all, but it's a solution to everything. But it certainly is a big, wonderful, path to many solutions for people. So I'm very excited because I've seen tremendous results and testimonials from clients. In fact, there's a testimonial on my website from, by Ruth, whose parents were in Treblinka, the concentration camp and she lived in Fort Worth in a very poor area, Jewish area of Fort Worth. And Ruth was a teacher and she came because she had an addiction to Mexican food. I want you to know this is not unusual in Texas we have Mexican food everywhere.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:40
Yeah so much.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 16:40
And people love it. They eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So it is a big issue for people. And she... through hypnosis, as we were doing the hypnosis, she started crying. And I and I asked her because we're we're we're doing some regression going back to where it all started. Finding out the root cause bypassing the subconscious. That's what hypnosis does so beautifully. Your conscious mind wants to lose weight. Everybody wants to look good and be healthy, who doesn't? But our subconscious mind is the biggest saboteur that's what I say. It sabotages, our goals, our desires and our needs, because it doesn't...
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:34
Yeah, but it doesn't do it to hurt you. It does it because it wants to keep you safe. Keep everything the safe..Safe and the same.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 17:41
Yes. No change. So Ruth, so I personally helped through hypnosis, what was going on and she had seen in her mind herself, eating a plate, eating her food, and not finishing the food. She had two or three bites. And she told me she says I was a little kid and I never really liked a lot of food and they ate a lot of the same starchy foods every day. Like beans, potatoes, things made out of flour. And because of all very poor and they were..
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:16
That's, that's the that's the cheap filling food.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 18:21
Yeah, lots of carbs. And so she, she heard her mother started to cry and said, I want you to know when I was your age, I was in Treblinka, because she she had followed her parents who died, by the way, and she said, and I didn't have any food. I was digging for weeds here and there, and sucking on stones and rocks. And that's why she was it made a connection to her that if she loses that connection with her mother and the food and of course she was finishing the plate after that. She would lose the love and the loyalty of her mother she would seem disloyal to the mother.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:10
It feels like a betrayal of her mother. So yeah, so naturally her mother wouldn't love her if she betrayed, right?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 19:16
Yeah. The interesting thing is after that hypnosis session, she texted me and she has a testimonial, but I don't think she goes into details. And she said, today my sister and I went and had our usual Mexican food at our favourite restaurants. It was 'Esperanzas' and she said, my sister at some point, said Ruth, what are you doing and I looked down and I was breaking one, Dorito, one Nacho the dry Nachos, that came with a big bowl of salsa and hot sauce. I was breaking it into pieces and putting one piece at a time in my mouth. And my sister just 'died' she said, because by now I have, I would have finished my bowl of nachos and I will have finished the bowl of salsa, otherwise in the past. So, she realised that hypnosis had an immediate effect on how she was looking at food. She was free, no more issues of betrayal, lack of love, and now she could love and that's what we did we install, through hypnosis. When rather Yes, we installed free love between her and her mother. Like, you love them unconditionally. There are no conditions. Food is not involved. And it was wonderful. I, I still get very kind of goosebumps when I remember her. Yes, yes. Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:53
That's wonderful. Shame. She didn't find you earlier. But it's wonderful. So, tell me about this new group though, becasue I haven't done much group work. I've done a little bit. I'm just beginning to do a little bit more.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 21:10
I've done a pilot group, it went very well, I had, I don't want to have more than 10 people, for starters. I don't think I'll be going up to more than 15. And it's, people, women, they're all women. I think men need their place too and I'm thinking that I will do that I will stand on because I do see men for weight-loss.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:34
So it is a real group. It's not just a bunch of people who happen to be online at the same time. It's they're, they're interacting with each other?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 21:41
Yeah, yes. Some of them, I write a column in a local newspaper. So some of them found me through the column. While I mentioned that, and others are my clients, I sent out some newsletter information. And they're all clients that probably didn't see me for weight loss. Maybe I think that there is only a couple that they have seen me for weight loss like 25 years ago. Yes, yes. Because I've been doing hypnosis since the mid 80s. In 1984, I saw my first client, yeah. So and when a client comes, not only I take the story, but I also ask them, how if they lose the weight, what would their life look like? And I have them describe that. I also ask them what prompted them to make the decision to come, to now to lose weight? That's very important, because it speaks to the readiness of people and motivations. Yeah. So that that is very, very, you know, so. And then I think people get to start thinking and find more clarity. When I asked the question, about what it would be, how they visualise their life when they have lost the weight.
Martin Furber 21:41
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that is something I do with my weight loss clients as well, Eugenia. I get them to describe, in detail, exactly how it will be when they have lost the weight, not if, when and when they've lost the weight.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:27
This is true for any goal really, you have to be able to really see it, so that it's just there. If I just keep going. It's just so so how long ago Martin is it since you lost that first large amount of weight.
Martin Furber 23:41
It's getting on for three, four years now?
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:45
Yeah. How long were you?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 23:47
Martin Furber 23:48
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:50
Okay, how long were you heavy? How long did you resist?
Martin Furber 23:54
I was a yo-yo dieting for 25 years. And each time I would lose the weight, and then put more back on and some. And it got to the point where I was just huge, absolutely huge. But now I've just changed my relationship completely with food. It's a different thing altogether. I don't feel the same way about food that I used to. It was comfort. It was emotional comfort. And yes, that huge layer of fat, which I always reverted back to, I felt protected from the world with it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:30
But I know that the people that you work with once they've achieved a goal, they don't feel like they're on a diet and they have to stick to this, or then they come crashing down.
Martin Furber 24:41
They're not on a diet at all. That's what I tell them straight away. It's not a diet - diets don't work. The minute your subconscious hears that you are on a diet. It also realises at some point, you will be off a diet. And the minute you come off a diet you go back to how you were before. So we talk about that, when you lose the weight, when you've lost it, what will you be eating then? what will your typical day be like? What kind of foods will you eat, then when you've lost the weight, and get them to really reinforce that in their thought patterns, and then tell them to start eating like that - now. Because if they're overweight, and they eat, what they will eat, need to eat to maintain when they've lost the weight, they will lose the weight with that. From day one, they're starting a new relationship with food.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:30
Eugenia, wth your programme, how long is your getting ready, period? Do you start right away, with an individual client which you could start right away? But if you've got clients who are waiting for the group to start, do you have a sort of pre-group starts advice for them?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 25:46
I think the pilot group initially more like a webinar, but it was a group we talked about it. Very methodical of how I do it. I believe in people's stories. And I have them send me, I sent the intake forms out,there are two pages, they fill them out. And write about their goals, the medical history, everything. And then. I. when I did the pilot, which was in the form of a webinar, I also asked each one of them, as I had already let them, let them know, via an email and they agreed to tell me a little bit about themselves. And, you know, not necessarily the weight. But they if they wanted to lose weight, how much they wanted to lose weight and what was the culprit for them like they don't cook. A lot of people here in Texas. They don't like to cook. They're used to fast food. We have an epidemic of fast food here. We definitely do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:50
And so many Mexican restaurants. Great, yeah. And a lot of other cuisines
Martin Furber 26:58
Over here too Eugenia. Tex-Mex restaurants - and Taco Bell!
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:05
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! If you're going to have Mexican food have real Mexican food.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 27:13
So the key that I stay with, and I emphasise is I do very solid work when it comes to helping people keeping it off and changing their relationship with food. And it's a matter of mindset.
Martin Furber 27:30
Dr Eugenia Andrews 27:32
And I noticed myself always, when I gained the weight, while during, okay, when I was pregnant, it almost doesn't count. Because I was given permission to eat. Even though when I had my son, I gained like 20 pounds. But with my daughter, I felt differently. It was different. I was older. So it was seven years later. But...
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:53
There was a there was a period in obstetrics when we were telling people to restrict their eating because people always ate for two. But the second person is very small. It doesn't require that many calories. And, and so it was very common for people to put on 40-50 pounds when they were pregnant. So they stopped and it went the other way as things so often do. They were restricting it to less than 25 pounds. And really 30 is much more reasonable. But getting it off is..
Dr Eugenia Andrews 28:19
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:20
It's so disappointing. You have a baby, the baby is seven, eight pounds, and you get on the scales and you weigh the same, I swear. It's just so disappointing.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 28:30
And one thing that I do need to, is that you, we have to change that love-hate relationship about food, and what foods are bad, and foods are good. There is no food that's bad or good. There is only the portion and the time of the day you eat the food. And usually people who say Oh, I don't eat that. You hear again, the second sentence because when I start eating, I can't stop.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:02
Can't stop, yeah.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 29:03
Hypnosis is a wonderful tool to help people do away with that - the 'I can't stop'. You can eat and enjoy. I enjoy food. I'm a great cook. I cook even enchiladas, I cook Greek food, I cook French food, Italian food, but automatically without thinking about it, totally subconsciously. I eat when I'm as much as I'm going to need to satiate my hunger.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:33
Yeah, recognising, recognising when you're really hungry is, is a really key issue.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 29:39
Yes. And stopping when you're semi-full. So and I remember when my son was little, my my grandma, his grandmother, my mother, when we were in Greece, says, George, have another bite and he said, No grandma, because I want to leave space just in case somebody offers me desert.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:02
Just in case!
Dr Eugenia Andrews 30:03
Just in case! I think that was a little dig for her. Yeah, it was kind of he talked her into..
Martin Furber 30:09
A little hypnotic suggestion!
Dr Eugenia Andrews 30:11
Yes. And my mother had struggled all her life with weight. And she said, Oh, wow, he's a wise, really kid. I wish I had thought of that, you know. We don't leave a little room. That is important, you know. And the other thing that I tune into is we don't have to be desperate in losing weight, because desperation will do. One thing, it will increase, and it does, it increases the stress. And stress increases the stress hormone, which is called cortisol.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:50
You end up fighting yourself.
Martin Furber 30:51
Dr Eugenia Andrews 30:53
And it's a never ending battle really. And I, we talked about that stress hormone even. We talk about how the stress hormone goes down, how we wind down at night, how we do, we substitute another activity instead of food, all through hypnosis, I have a lot of hypnotic suggestions, which as we know, hypnosis bypasses the conscious mind.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:21
It is so important to: A recognise hunger, recognise why you want to do this, you want to do this because you you want to do this, not because of all the other things. I love, Martin, when Martin's talks about weight, you know where I'm going, right? Eat what you want,
Martin Furber 31:42
Eat what you like, when you like - But what you like can change!
Dr Eugenia Andrews 31:49
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:50
That's really works.
Martin Furber 31:52
The other thing I always say Eugenia is, don't think about losing weight. Because as human beings we are not programmed to want to lose. We're programmed to want to gain things. So I say don't think about losing weight. Think about gaining your health, gaining a better figure, gaining healthier habits. I never mention weight loss to people.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 32:18
Yes, yes. In so many ways I do the same thing. Visualise, visualise and do wonderful visualisations including bringing in nature as well or their favourite happy place. And how they imagine themselves. Even the clothes they would like to wear. Yeah, there is, if they are, they have the figure they want. So, and I do avoid talking about weight the number even though people are hung up on that. I am more of a believer of your clothes, when you put on all your clothes.
Martin Furber 32:58
Eugeni-, we're going to put a link to your website in the show-notes below the podcast, so people can find out more about your programme either individually or your group programme. And you are available worldwide for clients, aren't you - via the internet via zoom?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 33:17
Right now I'm seeing two people from Melbourne. One is a Greek-Australian and the other is Australian. I see three people from Canada for hypnosis and coaching. I have like seven people from Greece, one from Belgium, two from the UK. And one in Japan. He's American, and he just moved for a job there, inTokyo, so yeah.
Martin Furber 33:44
Wow! Truly international!
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:46
Lots of lots of time zones to deal with.
Martin Furber 33:49
I was just thinking then, how do you cope with the time zones?
Dr Eugenia Andrews 33:53
Yeah, that's really tough. Because we do I do some work on weekends, I will admit it. When I was in Greece for three months, this past summer, almost three months, I would stay up until one or two o'clock in the morning. To see my American clients.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:58
Tsk Tsk! Self care, my dear, we are going to have to leave we have to say goodbye. Because it's, we're going to have to edit so much out of this, that's a shame. You'll have to come back and talk to us again soon. Maybe you can call us when you're in Athens next.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 34:26
I like to make a point about the website. We're just designing a new one. But they want, that it's gonna have the same URL with the one that's there. It does not talk yet about my group programme because it's so new. I just introduced it last week. It definitely has testimonials and everything else and of course the new one is going to be launched in the next two weeks.
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:52
Good. Thank you so much.
Martin Furber 34:54
Thank you so much for joining us is Eugenia has been fantastic.
Dr Eugenia Andrews 34:57
Thank you for having me, it was a pleasure.
Martin Furber 34:59
You're very welcome.
Denise Billen-Mejia 35:08
We hope you've enjoyed listening. Please remember this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis, and is for educational purposes only. So remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.
Martin Furber 35:25
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