Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode. Martin. Let's talk about that article. I came across this week
Martin Furber 0:41
In the New York times?
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:43
Yes.
Martin Furber 0:44
You read the posh papers?
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:46
No, no. Originally, I used to have a subscription. But it got too expensive with all the other things I do.
Martin Furber 0:51
Yeah. Yeah. We always when you hear of the New York Times over here, it's like when probably when you hear the Financial Times? Yeah, it's right up there. Yeah, I read the article. I found it really, really interesting all about hypnosis, therapeutic hypnosis.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:07
I liked the fact that it starts not at the beginning because we know that it's been around for 1000s and 1000s of years. It's a natural phenomena. But it goes back to Mesmer and talks about animal magnetism and how it started. And now a lot of people think, you know, I've been mesmerised they don't realise it's actually from somebody's name.
Martin Furber 1:27
Yeeah, they don't realise it's actually related to a form of hypnosis when they say I've been mesmerised. Yeah, I mean, don't forget a lot of our audience are not hypnotists-hypnotherapists. So it might be worth us explaining that for a few minutes. What do you think?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:43
Sure. Yeah, yeah.
Martin Furber 1:45
Well, so Franz Mesmer, was a German physician. So he was a medical doctor then, wasn't he?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:50
He was indeed, as were many of the early hypnotists. But I think that Mesmer, of course, was was really influenced by the experiments that were going on with magnets, people were discovering the electromagnet. There were lots of things going on, right. So he, he thought that he he himself had this animal magnetism, and it was up to him. And that's another... weird that people think that hypnotists are doing something to the client.
Martin Furber 2:23
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:23
And we're not we're just guiding them into that thing. What I really like it, when I've when I've read and listened to other historians talking about him, he was terribly theatrical. There was the cloak and the pocket watch. And 'I am the great'. Yeah, not Houdini, but that kind of power over.
Martin Furber 2:46
Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:47
It would take hours to get people into trance.
Martin Furber 2:49
That kind of thing seems really strange to me that a physician would go for the theatrics sort of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:57
They didn't have a lot of other tools.
Martin Furber 2:59
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:59
Medicine in the 1700s. I mean, they knew a lot of stuff. I don't think they knew that they knew it half the time. But, there were some really interesting cures. And it was mostly Yes, you have this thing. I'll sit with you while you either recover from it or die. There wasn't a huge amount they could do and surgery was, you know, you did surgery on people when they had no other choices.
Martin Furber 3:29
There was, there were no anaesthetics.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:31
Well no anaesthetics, and you died from infection most of the time. I mean, it was brutal. Yeah, they didn't. They didn't have germ theory back then. They thought it was in the air. So there's there's loads of... It's a fascinating subject. The history of medicine in general is fascinating.
Martin Furber 3:46
But they used to use leeches back then didn't they?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:50
Yeah, so they use them again now because not... everything comes around again.
Martin Furber 3:53
I know they use maggots in infected tissue, though, don't they?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:59
They do and they use leeches for reducing hematomas, you've had surgery and some other injuries. Not, you know, not your average GP, but, that's not what people do. You don't go into the doctor's office anymore, and see these lovely white porcelain things that says leeches on the front.
Martin Furber 4:17
Alright, so getting back to Mesmer then. Well, the expression mesmerised comes from Franz Mesmer. But also animal magnetism. I mean, when I hear that expression over here before I'd sort of done my Hypno learning, the expression animal magnetism, sort of in the modern day means something more like sex-appeal.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:36
Right. Right. It makes you think of Harlequin romance covers.
Martin Furber 4:40
Yeah, or Mills & Boon, thet type of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:44
Yeah. So anyway, he unfortunately Mesmer was discredited a little bit by our very own Mr. Benjamin Franklin, and some other people. Interestingly, Guillotine was on that panel too, which is an interesting name, the physician guillotine who invented the guillotine.
Martin Furber 5:04
Did he?
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:04
And he came to regret it. Yes, he was. Yeah, because he thought it was a more humane way to execute people.
Martin Furber 5:11
Well it was quick!
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:13
That's it. Yes, exactly. That's an aside from hypnotism, but he was on the panel with Franklin for Louis, the whichever one it was that discredited most of Mesmer's theories. Yes. And, you know, it's with everything. It's one of the frustrations now with just about every form of medicine, we have this, oh, this works. And it works for this. And it works for this. And it does the dishes, and it does that and then it doesn't do one of those things, and it results are rubbished, then it's thrown away. And that's basically what happened to hypnotism. But some of the people who have been trained by Mesmer, like James braid, continued to work in the area. So I think, that the article we're talking about says that in 1841, he started using that technique, and he used it on patients with headache to get rid of the pain.
Martin Furber 6:08
Were they still using the magnets then or..?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:10
No, no magents. Yeah, it was hypnosis. And he was the one that really although it had been the term have been used before, he was the one that really popularised the use of the word hypnosis. Yeah, for the Greek god. And of course, it isn't sleep, but it's so close to the time that you're asleep, that it's understandable.
Martin Furber 6:29
That's right, because he did try and give the whole process a different name...Let me think of it. Let me think of it. What he was going to call it I can't think off the top of my head. Do you know it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:39
I don't off my head. I just know his book was hypnosis.
Martin Furber 6:43
Yeah, he was he was he decided he didn't like the name hypnosis because of hypnos, meaning sleep, he decided that was the wrong description for it. Oh, you know, I'm gonna have to look this up and stick it in the show notes. Yeah, so James braid, though. So he did it without the magnets. And he did it without the theatrics,
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:07
Right, or at least fewer theatrics. And they were? Yeah, they were the great I AM. Yeah,back in the day, it's not like my era.
Martin Furber 7:19
Again, back in that day, they had very few other tools. And I suppose, if people wanted to make a name for themselves in medicine or become an authority on something in medicine, then they would, you know, perhaps have to put themselves out there a bit more. Of course, no television in those days. No, no modern communications whatsoever.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:38
No, Facebook!
Martin Furber 7:39
No, no, definitely not. So yeah. They, he would, yes, but looking back, yeah, they were very reliant on theatrics and other things to capture the attention. Bearing in mind, back then, most people couldn't read. The general population couldn't read.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:57
The general population often couldn't. Yeah, yeah. But what this article calls back to is the fact that hypnotherapy now can be used for so many things that we didn't realise back then. And of course, there's so many more things that people come to the doctor for, they probably just put up with before, you know, I can't sleep I'm not sure people went to the doctor for I can't sleep unless they truly, were not sleeping, there is a condition that will allow you no sleep at all, it will eventually kill you, it is extremely rare. So what they, what I like, about this article, is it refers to the fact that hypnosis can't get rid of this reputation of being a joke, or, you know, just a, there's a new TV show, I think it's out of, oh, it's a stage show. With what I can't remember his name, oh, my goodness, the two of us today. Anyway, he's doing a stage show, which is sort of an improv hypnosis thing that's being very well received. But, you know, it still bothers me that often it means that people see it and think it's a joke or think it's staged, or just isn't that serious, it's just for amusement.
Martin Furber 9:07
Yeah, that's it, you know, no disrespect to our sort of stage-show cousins. Let's put it that way, let's be polite and put it that way. But yeah, it does prevent people taking things seriously, doesn't it? Or on the other hand, it can build people's expectations up to be unrealistic in what hypnosis can do, what hypnotherapy can do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:30
Right and of course, the people who were hypnotised on stage, fall into a certain category of the way their brains work. So that this kind of hypnosis... I can be hypnotised. You can just say to me, Denise, would you like to be hypnotised and I say, 'Yes thank you' click because I want to. But on a stage I wouldn't go under...
Martin Furber 9:49
No...
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:50
Because on a stage there's there's just no way I would there be too much going on that I would have to keep my conscious mind, I would not be able to let go.
Martin Furber 9:56
I'd be way too conscious to get on the stage in the first place.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:59
Yeah, me too, but if I were forced. So, that implies to some people, only those kinds of people can be hypnotised, and this isn't true. Almost everybody can be because almost all of us are, if we do it for ourselves, so certainly a hypnotist can help you get to where you would have gotten anyway, it just might have taken you longer, and you wouldn't know what to do when you were there. Except to have a nice daydream. It's really therapeutic daydreaming, is what we do.
Martin Furber 10:24
Well, I know we have said this in previous episodes, but if we've got any new listeners or viewers on at the moment, everybody goes into hypnosis a few times every day anyway, don't they at least? Whether they've got themselves absorbed in a good book, they're totally absorbed, even in scrolling, when you get totally absorbed in it. It's a kind of hypnosis, because you focus on one thing and everything else gets excluded.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:49
Right. And that's what and that's the nice explanation by data. Spiegel, who I frequently disagree with, not me, I never meet the man, and I don't go in such wonderful circles, but..
Martin Furber 11:00
You could have a lively evening with him though.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:04
He is a very well respected psychiatrist who researches hypnosis and has used it since he was a kid. His father was a hypnotist and taught at Columbia.
Martin Furber 11:12
Oh, is that the history? I am aware of who he is, and what he's well known for, but I didn't know his background.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:19
He is a psychiatrist, obviously is working with a, a particular subset of population. He believes and has stated that 10% of people really easy to hypnotise, 10% can't be hypnotised. And the rest of us fall somewhere in the middle, and I'm sort of okay with that, but I think more of us can...More of us can be without difficulty, if in the right circumstances. And I don't know what those circumstances would be for him. I don't know how well I would be hypnotised if I were in a psychiatrist office in a big busy hospital. I mean, all of these things matter to us, which is again, why we like using zoom, because the clients in their own home, they're in there, they are comfortable where they are.
Martin Furber 12:05
They are comfortable, yeah. It's also, I mean, as we've said it before, but earphones, I feel, make a huge difference, because people can really cut out any other interference whatsoever.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:18
Right? Well, they'll hear it...
Martin Furber 12:21
If somebody's face to face in your office or my office. Yes, of course, it's a very intimate experience we're one-to-one, we're facing each other. But they're aware of more than the sound of our voice. So obviously, you know that the benefit of wearing headphones,
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:36
A lot of hypnotists, in their offices, have their clients use headphones. A few of them will speak into a speaker.
Martin Furber 12:44
Really?
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:44
Yeah, listen, some companies have some very nice equipment that... I know of one hypnotist, who's been working for probably 50 years in the business, he will see the client in his office, send them into a private room, have them on headphones and talk to him, to them, from his office. So that they decrease that external influence, so they're less likely to jump out of it because of a sudden sound.
Martin Furber 13:15
Oh, wow! Oh, wow! Oh, yeah! Gratitude alert! Something has just literally just popped up on my screen from Dr. Eugenia. Thank you - Thanking for being on the podcast and everything.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:26
Oh, how lovely!
Martin Furber 13:27
It's just literally just popped up now. There you go. How's that for live and on the spot.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:32
So if you missed last week's...
Martin Furber 13:34
Yeah, yeah, go and watch it. A cram packed episode with Eugenia, who had lots and lots to tell us. Let's get back to this article in The New York Times.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:45
So what are the other things? They're talking about sessions online, as we just said, and also, it's very interesting to me that David Spiegel, he himself is part of oh, what's it called? I want to call it Nervia. I will definitely put that in the show notes. Gosh, my memory today. It's a self hypnosis app. But he does talk about the fact that those things are really helpful for the generic things like insomnia or stopping smoking, which is general relaxation, which is is very nice. As you know, I'm starting a group for people, which will include things like sleep and weight, and group because it is a lower price point, but obviously, the audios that people will get for that, have to be more generic. So they may not get the full value. I'm hoping that most of them will have been hypnotised at least once before, so that they'll know how to use it. But you can't really use people's names you can't you know...Well you remember, the induction I did using cats kittens.
Martin Furber 14:54
Oh, I loved that induction!
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:55
Right okay, but I can't use that on any of my tapes because who knows how many people don't like cats?
Martin Furber 15:01
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:01
But you know there's there's so many little nuances, that you have to make everything very bland, to appeal to a wide audience.
Martin Furber 15:08
Yeah, somebody could just be drifting off and then you start mentioning cats and you might just terrify the life out of them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:12
I even thought about that when I was when I was designing my websites. I thought, oh I could put that nice... I've got a lovely shot from one of the botanical gardens near me. Just flowers and bees and butterflies. I'm thinking, I could put that.. Oh no, there might be somebody that's got a phobia about bees. Maybe they don't like yellow flowers either, who knows?
Martin Furber 15:32
When it comes to bees, somebody may have good cause to have a phobia about them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:36
Yeah,
Martin Furber 15:37
We all knnow what can happen with a bees sting with someone who's allergic. Do you know? I've just had the most silly thought pop in my head. I wonder if anybody's ever been treated, for the opposite thing. I wonder if anybody's ever been treated for narcolepsy with hypnotherapy? Because that would be a bit of a strange thing because you've got to relax them in the first place. Well, they'd probably fall asleep.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:56
Well, people with narcolepsy will fall asleep mid-sentence.
Martin Furber 16:00
Anytime yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:01
Or walking.
Martin Furber 16:03
I wonder if it's ever been done, it's a serious question. I'm just wondering if it's ever been done.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:07
Well, I don't know if they would have had a large enough group to have have written it up. Hypnotherapy for narcolepsy? Yes, there's an abstract in... somebody Francis, I don't know who he is. Effective use for hypnotherapy for controlled narcoleptic sleep episodes experienced by a 40 year old woman is described. It should include posthypnotic suggestions for deliberate and automatic hand movements by the patient serving as signals to ward off sleep attacks, like signals with visual imagery was incorporated into treatment. Excellent. What a nice thought you had. Now we can throw that into our list of things we can handle.
Martin Furber 16:48
Yeah, it just occurred to me, I thought, I wonder if it would work for the opposite thing. But yeah, I mean, because it'll work for so many things. The thing in that article in The New York Times that really stood out to me was... I don't remember the name of the doctor because...
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:04
We've agreed today, we don't have memory!
Martin Furber 17:07
Yeah, no memory today. But it was a really interesting case of a female patient who had, I think it was three slipped discs, or something like that. And she had had various talking therapies and powerful medication over the years with you know, some good results. But, hypnotherapy took her to a level of pain management, that none of those things with the medication had done. I'm just wondering, because obviously, you've got the medical background, I haven't, but I'm thinking slipped discs or back? Could it be the actual process of her getting into such a state of relaxation with hypnosis that no other kind of talking would have done to her?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:51
Yes, but usually, when people are talking to you, you try not to go to sleep don't you?
Martin Furber 17:56
True! Most of the time anyway.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:56
The New York Times is behind a paywall. So you can only read I think, three articles a month or some minor number. But we'll put the link in the show notes because it is definitely worth reading the article. It's very useful. Oh, yes, I've got it. It's a 32 year old with chronic back pain, having herniated three discs. And her mental distress from you know, she got so anxious about it, too. That was why she was in talk therapy, it didn't really do very much. And she also was using remote hypnosis, so she was 'Zooming' as well.
Martin Furber 18:29
That was the other thing, yeah. And again, it's, you know, I'm just wondering what it was, obviously yeah, it's... we can never fully explain hypnosis, that's the beauty of it. The point of, that had taken us to a level of pain control that perhaps, because I don't know that the woman, but perhaps even having a hot bath or whatever wouldn't have done for her?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:01
Probably not and then she had the difficulty of getting out of the bath afterwards. I do know, I'm looking at this, now while we're while we're talking. She describes how the pain felt faded away when she fell asleep. Have you had that happen with clients? I've had some clients who have been so stressed out, and so sleep deprived because of whatever the issue is, that they will drift off to sleep and I think I did a little calculation. Is it worth waking them up? Or is it better just to let them nod off, go through one sleep cycle, and I'll send them out the door and reschedule.
Martin Furber 19:36
I had a client this week who is suffering with anxiety, and this client, as they were just drifting into, not a heavy trance, they didn't go very deep, as they drifted into a nice pleasant trance. You could literally see the stress coming away from the face. You could see. I mean, as you know, I do progressive relaxation and I say and feel the muscles around your eyes relaxing. I could literally see it happening as I as, you know, giving the instruction as it were, or the gentle message. It never ceases to amaze me this profession Denise!
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:16
Or how simple it is. Elegance simplicity, that's what it is.
Martin Furber 20:23
Yeah, I like the word elegance. Although I'm quite inelegant in myself, most of the time. Well, yeah, it was really, really heartwarming to see this person's face, just relax. And you could just see, because I thought there were nodding off to sleep, and there weren't. You could see, you could see the eyes going under the eyelids and everything. They were paying great attention, paying great attention to what I was saying. But they were obviously in a state of very, very intense relaxation, far, far more than I expected them to go to at that point, because we'd literally only been going on for about a minute and a half.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:58
Oh, really? So that was.. Yeah, had that had that person been hypnotised before?
Martin Furber 21:02
No! Yeah, getting back to that one. So three slipped discs? That would be painful. I would
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:08
I would imagine it is. I haven't, knock on wood, ever slipped any discs. Which is remarkable for my age.
Martin Furber 21:15
Yeah, is that kind of thing, only ever put right with surgery?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:19
No, sometimes stretching, it depends on how bad it is. But it's not uncommon to need surgery. And 32 is very young to have such an issue. But I like the fact that she points out that she needs to go back to her. She uses recordings of previous sessions, which she uses frequently, which is something that we also tell our clients to do. I think you send your clients home with an audio. I send one to mine, two or three days after the session. So that they can just practice using this. And actually after a few sessions, most of my clients have built up a little library. Oh, I'm feeling this today. I'll take that one to listen to.
Martin Furber 22:02
Yeah, I tend to tailor the audios as the weekly sessions go along. Because obviously as things progress, different messages are given, you know, the sessions change each session is tailored to the client's requirements. And so do the recordings that I give them. Strangely enough, though, it's like other forms of self hypnosis, we can all do the thing where you just sort of lie there a little bit and whatever and drift. If I really throw my head forward and go to one side, I can go straight into trance.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:31
That's the years of practice dear! I like the way this is this just because we're going to put this article if you can't get it this month, because you've already used up, just remember to hit first on march 1. But at the tail end that client, the lady with back pain, says that she feels that now she's got the discipline to calm her body and mind when her pain flares up. And it's not like it works 100% of the time. But the more you do it, the more you get out of it. And that is really the message for all of our clients that they need to engage in this and more they do the better they'll get at it, the less they'll need us, becasue they'll be able to do it themselves.
Martin Furber 23:12
Yeah, and that is the thing. It's repetition. And the mind likes repetition. Not only will anything we do, like tying your shoelaces, the more you repeat it, the easier it becomes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:24
Yeah, nice little neural pathways.
Martin Furber 23:27
Oh, yeah, that's it. Trekking through the jungle, I use always use the elephant through the grass metaphor, flattening the grass, the more times you do it, the wider the pathway becomes. But, it's the mind also feels secure with repetition. It likes you know, that's why it can work in the reverse way.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:44
It's the familiar.
Martin Furber 23:46
Yeah, the brain does like that, though. I put a funny thing on LinkedIn, LinkedIn today. I thought it was funny anyway. I put a picture of one of my little black books, and a Biro. Other l the brands are available1 And put underneath.. Do you want to know what's in my little black book? And then I've just put an explanation underneath, because I thought I'll, I'll just make it intriguing. And I put an explanation underneath about journaling, about how it helps soothe at night time, so I just thought I'd throw that in there.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:18
Do you journal in the evening or in the morning?
Martin Furber 24:20
Night time - bedtime. I always go to bed thinking of positive things that have happened. Yes, deliberately putting anything negative out of my mind at bedtime. Otherwise, I'm the type that I wouldn't get to sleep. Now, that's what I always recommend my clients do. And the more you have to look for it, the better it works because you've got to delve deep especially if you had a really yucky day.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:20
You got to look for a nice thing - yes.
Martin Furber 24:43
You've got to look for a nice thing and then you got to look for another one and look for another one and then you can go to bed.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:52
What you're gonna be up really late.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:53
Yeah. I don't know why the expression the 'little black book' just came into my brain this morning. But I took a snapshot of it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:03
No names and addresses just thoughts!
Martin Furber 25:04
No, no, no, no, no. Well, I'm way too old for that kind of thing. Here's another interesting thing that was in that article as well, somebody with inflammatory bowel syndrome.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:17
Yes. So the thing, NICE guidelines agreed, but they don't want to pay for it. Thank you very much. Yeah. So I have a very busy end of the month, as always, because I've got to I've got my new programme launch. And I start my funnel as the business people say. I'm doing a webinar next a week from now, a week on Monday to try and allow more people to know about my new programme, which is a 12 week. Actually, it'll be 14 weeks, it'll be a prep week, 12 weeks, and then a sort of graduation, where do you go from here stage, on the general wellbeing, things, sleep, food, happiness, relationships, those sorts of things. And that will be taking up quite a bit of my time, and then I've been working on my course for physicians. So how about you? What are you up to?
Martin Furber 26:14
Or what am I up to? Well, I am hopefully, starting my Mental Health First Aid England - Train the Trainer Course, which would then enable me to train people to be Mental Health First Aider, rather than medical First Aiders.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:34
And that they are advising every large company has one of those?
Martin Furber 26:40
Has a medical, has a mental health first-aider, as well as the legal requirement at the moment for a medical, first-aider.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:47
How big of a business enterprise does it have to be, to be required under the law?
Martin Furber 26:52
I'm not sure, I think it's something like more than 10 staff, that you've got to have.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:56
Ten! That's that's a pretty low number.
Martin Furber 26:58
For a registered medical first-aid. Yeah, you've got to have done the course. Yeah, I mean, there's quite a lot of things like that. I mean, it's like over here. Now, every, even the tiniest little cafe has got to have somebody who's got the basic food handling hygiene certificate, which is all related. We don't want to eat dirty food. It's quite a low number that I can look it up and stick it in the show notes. I think it's quite a low number. But there was that Bill put through, in front of Parliament a couple of weeks ago, where, making it law, that every place has a Mental Health First Aider as well. Every place above a certain size. But at the moment, most companies are trying, you know, most big companies are certainly getting mental health first aiders in any way, because they're seeing the value of it, of somebody recognising...
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:58
Do most of the big..
Martin Furber 27:10
Somebody that maybe having trouble.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:30
Do most of big companies have wellness programmes within their structure of, or our can they refer to?
Martin Furber 27:55
Yeah, well, a lot of them seem to be doing more and more, but you've got a lot of the sort of apps and makers of apps trying to get in there with these companies. So people can self-monitor and input. Now how that data is, or, would be used? I don't know. But I know there's a lot of monitoring apps and one thing and another. But you know, I'am a good old personal service guy. Good old-fashioned personal service.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:23
And writing articles. So more people are aware of the things on mental health.
Martin Furber 28:30
Well, we've reached the end of another episode Denise.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:32
I know, I know. One only one more for us, two more people. And we'll be done for the season.
Martin Furber 28:38
No, two more for us after this one. Yeah, yeah, this is Episode Seven, then we've got nine and eleven of us, and then next week's episode is Josephine Blackburn. Right. Okay. I'm off! Everybody who's listening or watching, have a great week. Thanks for joining us yet again.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:58
And please, please make a few comments. So we know whether you want to hear us talking, babbling on, and forgetting people's names. Because we're having fun, but we don't want to waste your time. Bye guys.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:19
We hope you've enjoyed listening. Please remember this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis, and is for educational purposes only to remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.
Martin Furber 29:36
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