Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapist talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:38
This week we are accompanied by a Jo Blackburn who's going to tell us about some of her work in hypnotherapy as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:46
Hi, Jo.
Jo Blackburn 0:47
Hello, Hello, lovely to meet you base. So I'm Jo, or my business name is Josephine Blackburn. I'm based in Northamptonshire in a little village called Great Addington. So, yeah, East Northants.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:02
Do you work? Do you work primarily locally? Or do you work online, like so many of us do now?
Jo Blackburn 1:11
I both I do have a lot of clients who prefer to come to me. So they are quite local, although anywhere from I suppose up from a an hour, half an hour's journey to get here. So Northampton area around. Yeah, big circle around me. If they're prepared to travel, and they'll come. If not, we can do it over zoom, which works just as well. I think the pandemic taught us that didn't it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:41
It definitely works as well. I mean, there's some people who just prefer and of course, if they'd have some medical issue that you might need to pay attention to them. Really only can do it online, in person. But yeah, that's great. Great. And you've been established for about three or four years now.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:57
Yes, yeah. Since 2019, so yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:03
Did it, did you get enough business information? Most of the people who are listening are hypnotherapists themselves? I think people are curious. How long did it take you to build a client base? How did you first go about it?
Unknown Speaker 2:17
Okay, well, my other career is a beauty and holistic therapist. So I've got quite a big client base anyway. So, certainly for doing my case studies for the training, it was easy, because I just asked all my clients, yeah, would you like some hypnotherapy? Well, I'll pick, you know, chose the ones that I thought would benefit from the hypnotherapy. And then it kind of went on from there and then talking to the clients, and they knew that I'd qualified in it. So then they they became hypnotherapy clients, as well as the beauty clients. And then word got out and yes, kind of spread. It's taken a while to grow, and of course, with the pandemic in the middle of it, it's it was only on zoom that we could do, it then so, but yeah, yes, it...
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:09
It gave us rather than more experience online than we expected to get at first.
Jo Blackburn 3:14
Yeah
Martin Furber 3:15
I think it sort of fast forwarded the profession about five years, very quickly. with the enforced use of zoom.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:23
Yeah, and being able to go to so many conferences that before, you know, do you want to go to Las Vegas? You'd have to choose between the big Las Vegas one, and the big Florida ones, two months later, and then the British ones, you can go to as many as you can afford; and they're cheaper. The actual cost of putting them, on because we can use automation and things. I'm losing words again, I am overtired. Yes, it was a great conference...
Martin Furber 3:54
You've just done three days of presenting at a conference.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:57
No, I didn't present for three days dear, I listened for most, I only presented for a little time. So Jo, what aspect of hypnotherapy would you most like to discuss right now, it can be absolutely anything.
Unknown Speaker 4:10
Um, well, it's just the way that, how do you two work? You know in your, in your practices, because I've kind of gone on to a slight niche way of working for myself, but obviously, I still do the solution-focused model as well and still do that with clients. So if it's appropriate, so it's adjusting to your clients.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:33
You don't you don't just use solution-focused? You you've added other modalities or you're a holistic... Were you are a coach?
Unknown Speaker 4:43
No, I was a beauty therapist, so I do massage, facials, manicures, pedicures, that sort of thing as well. So I still do that, and you know, which is why I've got a lot of certificates up here. They're not all the hypnotherapy. But yeah, so this is my therapy room, I do all my beauty and holistic therapy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:06
So, when I was in training, and I'm not solution-focused, although I think solutions are a good idea go for, a lot of people were coming from hairdressing, massage therapy, those kinds of things, and they were incorporating it. So were using massage and hypnosis at the same time. Because touch, of course, is if you can, if you have ever rubbed a baby's back and let them go to sleep. I mean, is this the same kind of kind of problem? See, I can't talk today, it's a bad day for me- I need a nap. But, so, you, you're blending those things in order to produce whatever is needed for that particular client.
Unknown Speaker 5:53
More the different techniques because I've through lockdown as well. And as you said about the conferences being easy to access, so have the CPDs has been easy to access online. So I have done quite a lot. And I did an NLP one, and learnt some more techniques. And so this programme has been devised by, well he's an NLP practitioner, as well as a solution-focused hypnotherapist, and he's devised this mind reboot. And it's a quick way, what, six, six to seven sessions? And it, yeah, it works, because you've got lots of different avenues to work from. So you've got the NLP techniques, you've got the solution-focused brief. So, yeah, so you've got the hypnosis part of it as well. So yes, it's a good, good technique to clear all those things that are stuck in our bucket as we say.
Martin Furber 6:59
I'm interested to hear more about this Jo. Because obviously, you and I both trained with the same model, solution-focused and sessions follow a fairly rigid routine, don't they, in terms of starting off with the what's been good, some brain revision, scaling, miracle question, and the trance part of it. Is there an additional phase with this mind reboot? programme?
Unknown Speaker 7:24
Yeah. So I mean, we still do ask the what's been better, what's been good this week. So, it's definitely focusing on that positive. But it's also, although we were told not to dwell on the past, not to go into the past, it is important, I feel, certainly from a beauty therapist point of view, and I had hypnotherapy myself. And I think it is important to know a little bit of background of why they've come through the door, if they don't want to tell you anything, they don't have to tell you everything. But I think it's important to get that little bit of information. And then it's working on those things that are stuck in their bucket, that actually are holding them back and constantly hold them back. So it's a way of, you know, clearing those past traumas, traumatic experiences, high emotional experiences, and being able to free those up so that actually, you're thinking differently, you can see that actually, that doesn't need to have such a hold on you, on your life, because quite often things are misunderstandings. It's not actually the way that you perceived it to be, because...
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:45
That's always, whenever we're working with memory, what you remember is probably not what happened, exactly. Yeah. It's your interpretation of it. And it's your interpretation at the time that you're thinking about it. Because Absolutely, if you look at a memory, and then you go back and look at it again, it's quite different.
Jo Blackburn 9:02
It is, yeah.
Martin Furber 9:03
We do say don't we, every time you sort of bring a memory back, you twiddle with it a little bit more.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:08
Yeah, then pop it back. Yeah. It's fascinating. So you, you're still following though a set, this reboot is is a programme. Do you do it as a group programme or as individual?
Jo Blackburn 9:08
Yes, it's individual, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:13
So the only ones I have Yeah, this is, this is, this week, this is next week, this is this is my group programme; because obviously they will all be at different places, and it will be very complicated. But the training that I got was, was not solution-focused not that they weren't looking for solutions, or the that what the client wanted, it's definitely where we're going but the most rigid they were, I do hope nobody from the school's watching. The most rigid they were, that it was really important to have an arm elevation. It was the the main convincer that was used in the standard induction process. And I threw that out the window almost right away because it's difficult to do online, and most of us were then, working online in 2019 even. It was okay, but it interfered, because I had to keep saying, 'Could you move your camera a little bit so I can see what you're doing?' Maybe some sort of movement in the elbow, but I couldn't tell. Anyway, but my, my programme encouraged a more, I won't say not client-centred, because you guys obviously are client-centred, but it was whatever you did was with, other than the fact that you would induct them, you would do whatever you were doing, you bring them out, you put them back in, so you got a posthypnotic suggestion. That was the basic programme, we were very open about what we were actually doing with the client. So when when you were in training, both of you did you have two hypnosis versions? Did you have people coming to the school? Did you have people who had no idea about hypnosis, or did you practice on each other, mostly?
Martin Furber 11:17
No, no, we had to recruit our own clients. But it was a set thing, by I think it was month 4, you had to recruit clients, but for free of charge. So there wasn't really a great deal of difficulty encouraging them. Especially as at the time online, everybody was in lockdown, they were stuck on Facebook and...
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:37
Something to do!
Martin Furber 11:39
Something to do, yeah. So we had to recruit our own clients, and then the last two months before you graduate, you start charging half price. But the main ones are at the beginning when you have to recruit them for free hypnotherapy because I was online. Were you mainly online for your tutoring Jo? Oh no - you qualified before didn't you?
Unknown Speaker 12:01
Yes, I was in Peterborough. So I went to Peterborough for every session. And yeah, it's all done face to face.
Martin Furber 12:10
Great stuff. So this mind reboot programming, I've read up, you see all the information on your website, which of course we will include in the show notes. To me, as somebody who is very familiar with solution-focused hypnotherapy. I'm quite intrigued by it, to find out what the extra things are, like you say? So you do look, perhaps at the origins of some problems, or you do discuss that with a client? Is that just to sort of like offer them reassurance that yes, okay, that happened but don't worry, we're going to look forward or...
Unknown Speaker 12:47
Yeah, to a certain extent, but we don't need to know what the client's looking at. We don't need to know the detail of what they're seeing. Some people do like to tell you anyway, you know, that's just human nature. Some people just want to share everything. And I don't stop anyone if they do. But, then I will say you don't need to be disclosing any of what you're seeing what you're what you're reliving, really. They can just keep that in their mind. So it's, it's a safe way of addressing those things. And so we do the basic consultation that we were taught in the class that I've added other little bits that I feel is relevant, as well.
Martin Furber 13:40
Absolutely, we take, there are parts that you tailor to each individual client anyway, I mean, you know, the nature of it, isn't it? I mean, this was always one of my bones of contention when I was training. Denise, you might find this amusing. Yes, I absolutely agree with the thing about the presenting issues aren't that important. It's focusing on the solutions. But a very, very important thing for people is to feel understood and to feel heard. And the way we were taught in college was almost dismissive of the presenting issues. And I never agreed with that. You know, if people wish to discuss things, yes, Okay, don't let them dwell on it, then.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:21
Right!
Martin Furber 14:21
Yeah, but make sure that the client knows that they are heard and they are understood, and we get them that's, you know, that's always my thing. And I never discourage anybody in the way that we were taught to. Because, you know, once once they do feel understood it is easier then, I feel, for them to focus on the future and on the solutions.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:45
Speaking to that, wanting to be heard one of the presenters was talking about childbirth that the conference actually several people were, but the one I was in was, and the second is, I think the second point she made was, if the client wants to call it pain, call it pain. I'm paraphrasing, because, it sounds dismissive. A woman who is, has not had, is in labour, has not had hypnosis training, or you're trying to help her in the moment and she is in pain. If a person's got bone cancer, it's pain. We're going to make it just merely uncomfortable. But yeah, if you, if you're dishonouring their experience...
Martin Furber 15:29
Yeah, you're trivialising it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:30
Yeah, exactly. You're trivialising it. Or at least that is how, that's what they perceive and how they perceive. Obviously, their perception is the entire point of the exercise.
Martin Furber 15:43
Yeah. So, Jo, do you find them this mind-reboot programme, because I'm fascinated with it, Is it? Would it be fair to say that it actually really helps change those limiting beliefs in the sense of altering the default position that you always go back to? I like to use weight loss as an example. So many clients, I see over weight loss, their default position always is, well, I'm going to be fat forever. You know, they've got that in their head. That's the thing that they always they seem to be directed back to, I'm going to be overweight, I'm going to be out of shape. And you know, whatever. Do you do find the reboot programme offers more help?
Jo Blackburn 16:25
Yeah,
Martin Furber 16:26
With issues like that, perhaps with a client who's who's sticking in their old way sort of thing?
Jo Blackburn 16:31
Yes, yeah, 'cos...
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:34
In ways that the standard solution-focused wasn't addressing this, is this the missing piece of what you're doing? What do you think makes it a better option than the standard therapy that you were able to offer before you took the course?
Jo Blackburn 16:52
So with the standard sort of solution-focused hypnotherapy, we don't talk about the problem, we don't sort of re address the problem. So for myself, I may as we'll talk about a personal experience, so I had hypnotherapy. I'd had various counselling sessions, etc. Over the time and I had hypnotherapy, the solution-focused hypnotherapy, same training as we did. And it worked very well, it got me out of the place that I was in. It made me you know, enjoy my daughter, which is one of the things I had postnatal depression. And yeah, really did affect me. So I could get on with my life, and I felt in a good place. And then when I did the training, again, I felt a much better, much stronger person. But then actually doing this mind reboot, and I experienced the mind reboot myself, I went through the programme thinking, Oh, I'm okay, I feel really good. I feel positive about everything. And I haven't got things that are holding me back. But actually, when I looked into it, and I thought, well there are those limiting beliefs that I still have, because those things are still there in the bucket that I haven't actually dealt with. I've kind of managed the bucket and brushed over them to a certain extent, but I hadn't, really the counselling hadn't addressed it fully. And the hypnotherapy hadn't addressed it fully. So they are still those little things that give us that limiting belief and that I'm not good enough or, you know, things that have held me back. So by going through the mind reboot, it was emotional, because things came into my mind that actually I was thinking, yeah, I do need to address this. I certainly didn't disclose what I was looking at, or what I was seeing with James, he hasn't got a clue what I was imagining going through. But all those things, all those traumatic experiences, that were traumatic to me, you know, to other people, it might not be traumatic, but to me, they were they were high emotional states. And so by doing the rewind, getting, rewind the trauma, accepting that trauma, and then looking at the five negative states, you know, again, you're kind of dipping into the same memories that you have, but you're looking at it in different ways from...
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:41
Remember most people aren't solution-focused so explain what you mean by those five...
Jo Blackburn 19:48
Okay, so, well, five negative emotions that we deal with anger, sadness, fear, hurt and guilt. So those negative templates that we, if you think of when you're a child, and you perhaps you're caught up in an argument, you know your parents are arguing, they're ignoring what you're saying. And because they're bothered about what's going on with them, so you kind of feel that rejection and you feel a bit sad, because you've, you know, they're not listening to you. So then you can get that template built into you from, you know, there's things that have happened. So it's just readdressing going into those memories that your your brain will just come up with, you'll suddenly remember situations, as we said earlier, it's either exactly what it was, or it's slightly twisted sort of imagination over time thinking these things. But actually, by going into it, you get that learning from it and think actually, no it wasn't my fault. I don't need to have felt that, to feel that way in the moment.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:00
And some of us, what do you mean, I was six?
Jo Blackburn 21:05
Yeah. So it's a way of reprogramming our, our way of behaving so that we don't have to still revert back to that same way that we were when we were, you know, ingrained into us six years old or whatever.
Martin Furber 21:22
Yeah, okay, so you're, you're desensitising and removing that particular emotion from the memory and attaching a different kind of emotion to the memory. Yeah, would that sum it up?
Jo Blackburn 21:34
Yeah, yeah. It is yes. Yeah. 'cos you're learning about it. So, yes, you're learning, you're getting that learning, that understanding from those memories that have haunted you over the time, you know, they keep coming, they keep being part of you, but actually, they don't need to be part of you anymore.
Martin Furber 21:55
Because that's what we're taught, isn't it? When or when our stress bucket is full or getting fuller, the old negative thought systems come in and the inner-narrative changes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:05
Yes, yeah. Um, I don't wish to be seem rude. Or... see I can't find any words today! This is terrible, someone hypnotise me bring my brain back! Um, I was trained without necessarily any particular structure. We were told, we were encouraged to have programmes because this constant marketing to bring in new people through the door is exhausting. And there are so many things that people could work on. So once somebody's worked on one thing, they often want to... Oh, would you do this? And ooh, can we do that? Yeah. So you see they're not necessarily a programme. But things that I think of as usually quick fixes, it's either going to work or it's not things like phobia?
Jo Blackburn 22:54
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:54
Do you? Do you modify your programmes for people that, you know, they come to you? Is your, are the ways that your programmes are written, or structured, sufficient to get to the root of the problem early? And get rid of if it's an isolated thing, like I hate spiders? Or, you know, those kinds of very discrete things? Do you find that, do you get frustrated having to follow a particular set, before you get to the answer? Or does your programme permit you to...I mean, you're an independent being, you can do what you want. But do you feel comfortable modifying your programmes to address something and have it fixed for the client? And then say, give me a call if you ever need me again? Or is it, this sort of, oh, yes, we'll deal with that, and we will also deal with this too. So you have them come forward and get a perm at the end of it? Or whatever, you know, however else they're connected to you. You have you have other options, and your.. both Martin, and I do.
Martin Furber 23:59
Fears and phobias Jo, do you still follow the four session pattern for that?
Jo Blackburn 24:05
Yeah, yeah. So if somebody comes specifically for a fear or phobia, then yes, I will follow that the pattern of the cpht training, so yeah, but if I'm talking to them in the initial consultation, and certain things crop up in that, then I might say to them well, actually, I think it might be worth addressing the mind, Going down perhaps the mind reboot, or having a couple of extra sessions. Because if somebody is really anxious then yeah, I think adding another session in for solution focused way just to bring their anxiety down is more beneficial. So I listen, I go with my individual clients, but yeah, the fears and phobias it's definitely what we learnt.
Martin Furber 24:59
Now I'm just thinking about, for example, a semi-hypothetical, say for example, a woman came to me and said, I have got this terrible fear of spiders. But it stemmed from when my brother shoved run down my blouse when I was six years old. Would you suggest that, that would be done differently from the normal thing of I've just got a general fear of spiders.
Jo Blackburn 25:24
No, I'd still just probably do the fear of spiders to be honest.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:27
Yeah, yeah.
Jo Blackburn 25:29
Yeah. Yeah.
Martin Furber 25:30
Yeah. Yeah, 'cos I, I tend to stick to the four session thing for phobias, as well, because it works. It's proven and it works. It's a good system. And I've never had one come back to me after a period of time saying their phobia's come back.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:48
Until the, the client we know as 'Bridge-man'. I assumed it would take I usually tell people to take two or three sessions before you know, don't decide it isn't working until we've had at least this month time. And I had a guy and I saw it happen that you finish. We saw him relaxed, and halfway through the first session, it was gone. Two days later, he texted me, after, not during driving, over after he drove over a bridge. And he texted me and said, my wife says I was looking at the scenery. So it was gone,and that didn't come back. And, he then, we had the second session because it's built into the programme. And he said, it's, it's great, I don't need it. Well, it was, I guaranteed we would take care of it. So come back anytime it does. But you can listen to the audios periodically, drive over a few bridges, remind yourself that you can. Where we live, it's really hard to go anywhere very far without crossing a bridge. And the longer bridges, obviously, were the bigger issues in this country, we can have quite a few rather long bridges. But then he chose to become a weight management client. And he was so happy about how it worked for the first time, that he was the perfect client. So he he did really, really well he bailed before the end of the programme on that too. So because he didn't need it, and I don't want to hang on to people that they don't need it. It's like God, just give me a call now and again. Yeah, we'll go for coffee or something because I've sort of miss them. But I feel I would feel very restricted. I think if I, if I had been trained in that kind of a prgramme where you have to, that you have to, that you're you're free to cut this out if you're uncomfortable with it Martin.
Martin Furber 27:39
No, No, we can change it if we wish to. I mean, the four session thing for phobias, for example, the first session is just the IC. So you could do it over the phone anyway. The second session, you could actually skip or incorporate it into the first session because that's just a general relaxation thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:02
Okay, Okay, so it may just be perhaps that you split out what I would, perhaps condense.
Martin Furber 28:07
Yeah, and what we do in the third session is basically a rewind, which, okay, so that needs doing, and then the fourth session is a reframe of their phobia in a new situation. And just to give them that extra reassurance, basically, the phobia is gone, as soon as you've done the rewind. It's gone after session three, which could be cut down to session two, if you wanted to, really. But the phobia is gone after the rewind. All the fourth session does is reinforce how they are going to be without this phobia. Just some postive future rehearsal for it, basically. Yeah. That's my description of it, would you agree with that, Jo?
Jo Blackburn 28:45
Yes, yeah, definitely. I class it as three sessions. Because I don't count the initial consultation, particularly as a session. Okay. Three sessions for that. So yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:01
It's interesting isn't it, that how many different flavours of hypnotherapy there can be?
Jo Blackburn 29:05
Yes, yeah. And actually, because we are all individual, it's important to look at the client and find what works for you as well, isn't it? So it's getting that balance for the best for your client who's presenting in front of you?
Martin Furber 29:23
Well, that's it, isn't it, that everything is about being client focused at the end of the day. I do think though, some clients just expect hypnotherapy to be a one session Quick-Fix thing because of what they see on television, with the swinging watches, you know, 'A man's cured of a phobia in 30 seconds' - and that kind of thing? Yeah. So it is important to manage expectations.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:43
I do not, I do not lead with that. I tell people, I don't know how long this will take. But yeah.
Martin Furber 29:52
But I think there is an expectation of a quick-fix - and yet with smoking that is one session - that's 2.5 hours though.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:59
Yeah, and around where I used to live, which isn't very far for where I'm living now, but it's a different state. I knew there were several hypnotists. Most of them were psychologists who practice hypnosis as well. And all of their weight clients, they went for a single session, no audio, that was it! Okay, you're fixed - Go! I didn't know if the people who went to them, anybody that had success with that method I must point out. Even initially, it wasn't even like, I didn't eat much for a couple of days that I didn't hear any positive. And this was more than it wasn't just like, one bad apple, hypnotist. That seemed to be the standard come to me, I will tell you not to eat, and then you can go away and not eat, seems to be the answer. And those are the clients I tell you, where you want to lose 10 pounds, fine. Yeah, you'll be on your path fairly soon. Staying on the path, you need to touch base with people. And usually I tell people that needs 12 or 12 over a 12 week six sessions over a 12 week period.
Martin Furber 31:05
Yeah, yeah, I mean my Weight Loss - Weight Management, I do it over six sessions. That's my so my solution-focused plus programme, that I devised, because I do include some direct suggestion in the work I do Jo. With the weight loss but, I'm speaking from a position of experience, as you know, my weight loss. So I do incorporate direct suggestion in with it, and it works. You know, the end of the day, that's what it is. But I concentrate mainly on serial yo-yo dieters, the people that have been either mostly gaining weight all the lives or mostly losing weight. Okay, that's serial yo-yo dieting, they rarely stay at the same weight for very long.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:49
Yeah.
Jo Blackburn 31:50
Yeah. Interesting. So you've devised your own programme as such to help.
Martin Furber 31:56
Yeah, it's six sessions, but the language patterns change each time and the backup materials in the evening, because that's always the killer time for most people, is that evening snacking thing. That's when they get the backup recordings for in the evenings as well.
Jo Blackburn 32:11
Right?
Martin Furber 32:12
Because that gets them through that period.
Jo Blackburn 32:15
Yeah. Interesting.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:20
Do you do a lot of weight management in your programmes?
Jo Blackburn 32:24
For me? No, not many. No, I have done. I did do six session group weight management, which yeah, we had quite a few people that joined that. That was over zoom. It was me and another hypnotherapist who I've trained with, she's local to me. So yeah, we devised the six sessions, probably not, in the same way that you've just described Martin. It was more, it was based on a CPD we did together. And then thought, oh, yeah, well, we'll do that. And yeah, feedback was good. But it was a struggle to get people to come to it. Again, I don't know whether it was the word hypnotherapy that put people off.
Martin Furber 33:11
That's the whole...Sorry Denise, can you carry on?
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:14
No, I was gonna say I actually I haven't done a lot of marketing to acquire those kinds of the groups. It's, it's been mostly... I'll see somebody for pain, and they really enjoyed the process, but they don't really need to see me for that anymore. They know, they come back if they need to. They kind of that, oh, we could do this. Or we could do that and to make it more cost-conscious for them, group programme, which, you know, they already know how to hypnotise themselves. So when I give them an audio, they're already going to go into they don't need that same one to one, they need to be able to touch-base with a person about the issue, and obviously ask any specific questions they have of me, but they don't. I don't need to be in the room with them for 50 minutes. So, that that kind of group work I'm interested in. I'm interested in building more of that. Looking at the time...
Martin Furber 34:04
Well, that flew by!
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:05
Yeah. Well, nice to meet you Jo.
Martin Furber 34:10
So Jo, if any of our viewers or listeners want to get in touch with you, your website and contact details will be in the show notes. Thank you for joining us today Jo. It's been a pleasure having you on.
Jo Blackburn 34:21
Yeah, it's been lovely chatting to both. Thank you very much for inviting me. Thank you.
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:26
Bye bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 34:35
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Martin Furber 34:51
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