Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen'Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Okay, let's get on with the show indeed. Episode 6 canyou believe it Denise? We're halfway through the series already.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:43
No, I can't. It's this year has just disappeared on me completely. But during this year I met our guest who is really fascinating. Please welcome Mayra Sanchez, who is going to talk to us about something that is in that complementary medicine area. And we've opened this season up to a lot more ways that we can work together we want this to be an integrative therapy. So hi, Mayra.
Mayra Sanchez 0:43
Hi, I'm so grateful for having the opportunity to be here with you both. I'm super excited and I love dialoguing about this subject.
Martin Furber 1:19
Yeah, Mayra, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to have you on here. And I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I needed to welcome you on. So please carry on.
Mayra Sanchez 1:27
Thank you so much, Martin. So again, as I was saying, integrative medicine is my passion, and what helped me be able to overcome the challenges that I had in my life, in my health and in my money, and just in my general welfare. So Chinese medicine and Qigong really supported me in developing the disciplines that I needed to be better able to handle the demands of life.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:01
Excuse me, you haven't trained in Chinese medicine yourself, you were a patient of a Chinese medicine practitioner?
Mayra Sanchez 2:09
I was and I did a second training for medical Qigong, which I don't really see patients under. I did for a little while, but I found that my sweet spot was really the coaching aspect. However, I do tap into the energy of medical Qigong to support my clients and myself, in delivering the best possible opportunity for healing success.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:41
What kind of problems should people come with, to you for?
Mayra Sanchez 2:46
Well, I'm generally, as I was saying before, people come with the problem, the biggest pain they have in the moment, they are often not aware that because we're so vitally connected, that sometimes where we feel the pain is not where the problem exists. And I, my strength is supporting people and getting deeper into themselves, so that they can identify the root causes of the lack of well-being or the disease or the lack of ease, as we talk about in Chinese medicine. My teacher and trainer, perhaps because he was an Oriental medicine doctor, really had us focus in on that, on the fact that from, from their perspective, they don't look at illness or disease as something more than an opportunity. You know, it's an opportunity to for greater harmony in the body and in the spirit and in the mind. But we don't, here in Western society, we don't think about balance that way. We don't think about ourselves in that holistic, cooperative understanding, we tend to just think about the mind or just think about the body or just think about the spirit. And then whichever one we like the best we tend to develop the most.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:16
Yeah. That's unfortunate, don't you think?
Mayra Sanchez 4:20
I do, I do and because I learned the same way. And that's what made me so passionate about this because I was able to break through that fragmentation that compartmentalisation in my life, where I thought of my work as separate from my personal life and I thought about my family is different than my own. So you know, it's like all together and learning to be able to establish a better balance, with all of it together, is possible using that type of mindset, that Eastern model rather than the Western model.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:55
Right, but integrating them if needed, you know, if you're pain in you're right lower quadrant is because you have appendicitis. Qigong is probably not going to fix the problem, you know, we need to be able to work together with all of these things, it will probably do a lot to help you recover as you recuperate after surgery.
Mayra Sanchez 5:15
Agreed, agreed. And, you know, it's really fascinating. And I'll share a personal example for myself, right. Based on Chinese medicine, this time of year is the time of the lung and it's time of letting go, you know, that's, that's the what we're practising is letting go, as we look around in nature, nature is, all the trees are letting go of their leaves. And they do it so gracefully, and so elegantly. And it's a beautiful opportunity for us to mimic that same idea, but how hard it is to let go, you know, I was raised by a control freak, and I learned very well how to control, how to control, how to control1 And it creates this Stranglehold kind of situation so letting go, it doesn't come naturally to me and my father passed on October 1. And that was a very difficult.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:25
Not this year?
Mayra Sanchez 5:27
No, in 2019, sorry, he passed in 2019 on October 1, but October 1 stays in my cellular memory as this time when, when I just start to notice my energy go down. And this past week, I started experiencing some, some big pains in my shoulder, and some tension in my thumb's and, and some waking up at night, which these are not normal behaviours. And it took me a minute to establish the understanding, oh, this could be related to this event that my body is still holding the trauma, the grief, the awareness of this event, I missed my dad terribly. It's been four years, but it was like it was yesterday.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:11
Yeah.
Mayra Sanchez 7:12
And so so it really gave me an opportunity to allow myself to go deeper into that grief, rather than ignore it, and allow myself to reconcile, right to get better at letting go of that control. And white knuckling it through life and allow myself to, to compassionately love myself through this stage,
Martin Furber 7:44
White knuckling it through life. I like that expression.
Mayra Sanchez 7:49
That's what control freaks do - they white knuckle it.
Martin Furber 7:51
You know it's interesting, talking about that thing with October the first and obviously, I'm sorry for your loss, and that date means a lot to you. But that date, I think, for so many people, especially over here, as you say the trees let go of the leaves the days suddenly get a lot shorter, and it is quite a symbolic date, isn't it? There seems to be this seismic shift in attitude, as soon as we go past the first of October, I always think well, you know, 30,000 years ago, and perhaps we were all living in caves and what have you. What did we do then at this time of the year? Because we didn't even sort of plant our own fields or anything, did we? We just went out and hunted. What would we do at this time of year, we would, more or less hibernate, I would imagine. It wouldn't be safe to go outside. There were no lights outside, and I think some of this is, you know, a throwback to that, in our sort of biological programming as well, and our mindset. What do you think Denise?
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:52
Yeah, I think, I think for people in business, of any kind, also are thinking, oh my goodness, it's the last quarter of the year.
Mayra Sanchez 9:02
That's really the key component that I agree with, because our modern lifestyle has so many conveniences. It makes it so much easier to work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work ourselves to death and not allow ourselves to give a pause that's appropriate. So that we can manage the reactions, the traumas that we can deal with those things because life is demanding and awful things happen. You know, we talked about my father's passing, but grief is an extra special kind of difficult task for me because in this time of year, October through December, I've had several losses of very close relatives of mine. On the 29th of October, Sandy in 2012 hit my house and destroyed the first level of my house leaving my family, my pets and myself homeless for six months. So I have a lot of practice at learning how to reduce my energy time and money so that I could recover from these crisis moments.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:19
Did you find your attitude to the flooding in the city and around area? This last weekend, there was so much flooding in New York.
Mayra Sanchez 10:27
Yes. Well, of course, I'm very sensitive to flooding. So anytime I've seen the flooding on in California and other countries this summer, and what's going on here in New York have reminded me again, of all those same memories and feelings and ideas, and I know what those people are going through.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:47
Yeah, because of your training, you were able to release it earlier, or does it change the way you respond?
Mayra Sanchez 10:55
I think that what it really did for me was it gave me a new focal point, right? It's very difficult to be in the middle of a crisis, and be focused on the positives. Focused on the gift, right? It's very difficult, because you're just like trying to get through the day, right? It just for me, at that time, I was very much focused on how do I get the house back in shape, so we can come live in here again, right? It was exhausting. And, and because it was a collective event, wood was, you know, there wasn't enough, there was a wood shortage, right, there was difficulty. They blocked off the whole neighbourhood. So there wasn't any getting in and out of, I live on Staten Island and my family lices on other aspects of New York. There was no way I could get off the island, there were a lot of unintended things that created a lot more challenge for me, and made it easier for me to feel victimised by it. And that's really the key thing that I think, that the two of you and I can relate to, or relate together on is our attitude and our perspective, our mental concepts of what is happening to us, and all that self-talk that really does a lot to either encourage recovery, or recovery from happening.
Martin Furber 12:26
I found sort of over the years since I retrained and became a therapist. Sort of challenging some of my own thinking patterns, you know, those cognitive distortions that we all have, to some degree, you know, with the all or nothing thinking, and that kind of thing. Yeah, I've challenged that a lot more and sort of benefited from that knowledge as it were. But it is it's those thought processes, isn't it? When, as you say, when a crisis happens, you know, the primitive side of the brain goes into overdrive, we just, the logical brain shuts down, we're just thinking about preserving ourself. How did you cope through Covid then, may I ask, because you, obviously, you're on Staten Island there, you weren't able I would you imagine you weren't able to travel over to Manhattan or anything, were you through Covid?
Mayra Sanchez 13:23
I didn't, very well, and I tell you, for me, Covid was a godsend because Covid was really a time where I got an opportunity to really stop being there again, for others, and identify, Okay, this is the time where I can be here for myself and and who am I today? Because who am I today is not who I was in 2012, and certainly not who I was when I was 20. And so each and every crisis has allowed me to, again, ask myself that question and remove the things from my identity that no longer belong and, and discover the things that are always true about me and the values and the aspects of myself that I want to continue to develop because their strengths, right? That's the major difference in my life. That my journey of healing has helped me learn or relearn, which is, I started out with the idea that to get my best I had to, to abuse myself to basically kick my own blankety blank into gear, right. That's how I learned to succeed. So I have re-learned to succeed through a positive reinforcement by identifying what my natural strengths are, what I was born to do, and stop trying to develop my weakness or hide my weaknesses because my weaknesses just support this type of thing collaboration with other people who have strengths where, where I'm weak. And it really challenged that self sufficient idea and that independent goal that really isn't very supportive of life. interdependency is so much more fuller and joyous.
Martin Furber 15:26
Interestingly, though, I'm thinking you're there in New York, and you're talking about let's all be a little, perhaps less Western, in our thinking, with you Qigong, and I look at China today. And we look at the phenomenal developments that have happened there over the last 20-30 years. And now when we think of Shanghai, for example, we think of somewhere absolutely as busy in 10 times the size of New York, do you feel their perhaps practices, have sort of dampened down over recent years, and they're going to have the same kind of crises with mental health, for example, that we currently have?
Mayra Sanchez 16:11
You know, I do, and I can look in Puerto Rico, as an example, right? Because I went there as a child. And I am very clear about what Puerto Ricans culturally were like, when they lived on the island and how different they are when they leave the island, right. And so my parents came from the islands. So they had a particular kind of mindset, a particular kind of attitude, and values that they instilled in us. But it's very interesting to notice that my brothers, I'm the fourth, and the only female of the children that my parents had. And it was always really interesting for me to realise that my brothers had a completely different attitude than I had in life. And part of that is because they were born and raised on the island, and I was born and raised here. The other part that I discovered over time is that the differences were related to the fact that my parents were together when my brothers were raised in their formative years, but they were apart when I was raised. Okay, so that unique difference. And the that unique difference, made it seem like I I understand the whole movie based on walking in halfway through.
Martin Furber 17:42
OK, I like that analogy!
Mayra Sanchez 17:44
It's like, it's me, I convinced myself, Oh, I understand the movie, because I only saw that the half to the end. And then I was angry with my brotherswho didn't agree with me, and they didn't understand, you know.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:57
They'd seen the whole movie.
Mayra Sanchez 17:59
Right. And...
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:01
It's a great analogy!
Mayra Sanchez 18:02
I learned that I didn't have enough information about the whole movie to judge, right. And so it helped me find ways to have compassion in the conflict for them and for me, and to listen more with empathy rather than tell them oh, this is my perspective. And, and, again, disrespect that part of it. And so when I go back to Puerto Rico, and I still have family there, I can recognise the influence that the United States has had on the island over the last 40 years. And they, my cousins were there when they had a big flooding event, I think it was Maria,
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:48
Maria.
Mayra Sanchez 18:49
And what was really fascinating to me was to notice how dependent they are on help, external help. And how people who were still very much in word it, meaning they were less touched by the Western influence on it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:10
They hadn't gotten they hadn't gone it been infected by Western influence before they went back in,
Mayra Sanchez 19:16
And the convenience, right, because that's, that's the virus, the virus, in my opinion, is the convenience. They were able to recover faster because they were not dependent on outside help. They were able to go back to the land, right this, the after the flood went, the sun came back out and they were able to work the land to support themselves. And that was something that I did during Sandy that my neighbours were not doing because I had been trained in that type of environment as a young kid. I was I'm not dependent on my phones.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:56
I'm wondering about this. My husband's Dominican, so very similar culture to Puerto Rico. I went to medical school there, and then did my training here. But when Francisco is here, and there are administrative snaffoos, or you have to stand in line for it, he reacted just like an American would. And if we go back to Santa Domingo, I try really hard not to react like somebody from here. He just slides right back into whatever, well, yeah, it's Tuesday, we'll spend it waiting for the power to be turned back on. It's, it's very different!
Martin Furber 20:32
Oh, Denise, maybe touchy here. But does he, does he suddenly become more dominant or something more?
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:39
No no! We don't have we don't have that problem.
Martin Furber 20:44
Getting back on topic then. Mayra, do you think when you were saying about the people of San Juan, sorry, Puerto Rico, San Juan was where I went over there. The people of Puerto Rico, that sense of community is still there, whereas the ones who were Americanized or have lived over in the States, it's not? You know, that sense of family or greater community?
Mayra Sanchez 21:07
Right, right. Well, I think I think they're coexisting and the light of that original community based success is diminishing. While the other light of, the other line of, of expectations around, hey, we're Americans, like everyone else, and therefore, we should have the same benefits. We don't, they don't. But they don't know. They don't know why they don't. And, and I think that that's really a key thing. And again, it brings me back to my brothers and I have a different attitude, right? Like, I don't expect someone to come and rescue me. And that's what supported me in, in my recovery efforts after Sandy. I waited for like, maybe, you know, 24 hours looking out, like, you know, there's empty streets, there's holes, there's water, I've never experienced anything like that. So I definitely went through the insurance company's gonna come, yeah, they didn't feel was gonna come, they didn't come. My family is gonna be able to come, they couldn't come. So all of a sudden, I was like, Okay, what am I going to do? What can I influence? And so that controlling aspect of me, came online and addressed what I could control what I could influence. And as I keep, maintain that mindset every day, little by little, I went through the stages of recovery.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:52
And that's it, you need integration of all of the parts of you.
Mayra Sanchez 22:58
Exactly. And there were times when I needed naps. And you know, my Mom, like I said, she's a control freak. She was very, she was very much against me taking naps, she thought, oh, my gosh, you're sick. There's something wrong with you. Oh, it's like, well, I'm not sick. I am just running and running and running constantly. I need to nap.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:20
In order not to get sick.
Martin Furber 23:21
Exactly, exactly. Not all important thing.
Martin Furber 23:26
Exactly, self-care, that all important thing.
Mayra Sanchez 23:26
Like my Mom doesn't understand that. healing and recovery is about doing things that feel counterintuitive. It just, it doesn't taking a rest doesn't seem like the right thing to do, when everything is out of place. Right? It just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. However, if it is the best thing to do part of the wisest thing to do,
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:51
Right, but it's part of that sort of the overused word toxic, but it really is that you know, the sun's still out, I should be making money. I am conscious therefore, I should be trying to fix this problem now that kind of go go go go go and that's very much an American phenomena.
Martin Furber 24:10
Yeah, I mean, it did my impression is of everything that I see on TV from America. Everybody wants it faster, everybody wants it easier. You know, everything's now now now isn't it that sense of immediacy with everything you know, and you see I suppose it happens in any big cities as well you know, people working from eight in the morning till nine at night in their offices and you know, they grab some food on the way home, and go to bed, and do it all again the next day. That's not no way to live.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:38
And there's an influence from that too, because now we're also connected around the world and when it's daylight here isn't in Australia. And yet we seem to think we're supposed to respond all the time, no matter who pings us.
Martin Furber 24:52
You know what I find amazing Mayra, the difference in holiday vacations, or vacation time off work, between Britain and America, we get four weeks holiday plus the bank holidays over here. So you get near enough six weeks off work paid.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:09
And that's the standard there are people who get more time too.
Martin Furber 25:12
Yeah, that's the standard. That's if you work in McDonald's, that's what holidays you get.
Mayra Sanchez 25:17
That's amazing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:19
May I just also say, maternity leave. Yeah. Which is still a pipe dream for most.
Martin Furber 25:26
And ambulances are free!
Mayra Sanchez 25:30
And I think it's really powerful that you bring that up, because I've known lots of people who have the time off and cannot take it. The time off, feels like a punishment to them, so therefore, it doesn't matter that they have the time, the holiday time, it doesn't do anything to increase their quality of life because they don't enjoy it
Martin Furber 25:55
They don't know what to do, they can't unwind.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:57
I don't know about the UK, but several other European countries, it's mandated, you don't...You need a vacation! Now this is when you're, if you didn't take it before, you take it now, there is, you know how you can't carry your vacation over you can only bank so many days before the next one, I think that is probably the idea of that came up thinking it's good for people to take vacation, then they won't get sick, and they'll be able to continue to work for us or at least less likely to get sick. And it's been interpreted as if I'm not there, John's going to get the promotion, or I'm gonna miss all these other opportunities. And that I think is where Eastern philosophy is going to help. So let's pivot back to what you do. Say, um, oh, dear. I'm just gonna say what I say, a million years ago, when I was a doctor, stress was my middle name. How would you, I carry my stress. When I realise I'm stressed, I get pain in my thoracic back, you know, between my shoulder blades? How would you, if I came to you and said, what can you do for me for this? I'm feeling really stressed, I'm not sure where to find the time to come to you because of the job. But if by some miracle, you were open, and I was free, how would you first advise me?
Mayra Sanchez 27:20
Well, the first thing we would do is apply something there. I think human touch is very healing. And that's the first thing that I would ask, if you would be open to that. And I would utilise medical Qigong first, which is an energy healing practice. And so I would work to unblock that stagnation up front.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:46
Is that similar to Reiki?
Mayra Sanchez 27:48
It is it well, Reiki is the Japanese version and Qigong is the Chinese version. But that's what I would do first, because what I've experienced even in my own body, when my body is persisting with a particular pain, that the touch of my own hand, does a lot. Sometimes compassion can be best delivered without words.
Martin Furber 28:13
Yeah, absolutely, I get that.
Mayra Sanchez 28:14
So, someone comes with that, that's the first, that would be my first way of really connecting with that person. And then from there, we would go into a little bit more of a deeper reflection on belief systems around carrying the weight of the world around. What stresses us, right, just a deeper reflection. But that was what I would do first. And if it were virtually, then I would encourage them to do some self massage, I would show them points particular points on their body that are called gates, energy gates, where they could apply their own healing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:07
Others equivalent, anatomically to chakra?
Mayra Sanchez 29:13
No.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:13
Okay>
Mayra Sanchez 29:14
No, they are based on the meridians in the body.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:18
Okay.
Mayra Sanchez 29:19
And again, this is the beauty of the different types of training that I've done. It gives me a vast toolbox to kind of support and empower people in providing their own self care. Right. And also, I would encourage them to do a mental fitness programme that I do. It's eight weeks long, and it offers them the opportunity to use their phones to develop a mindfulness practice, or meditation practice two minutes at a time. So it's very suitable for people with busy lifestyles who say 'I don't have time for self care', when in fact it's counterintuitive. We have to Make time for that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:00
Yeah, it's that wonderful joke? Well, it's a true joke, unfortunately. If somebody says that I haven't got 10 minutes to meditate, yeah, then you need an hour. You need to recognise what's most important.
Mayra Sanchez 30:17
Exactly, and a lot of times, it's a conversation that allows us to identify what, who we really are and what we're really thinking, and what are the belief systems that we're activating in our lives every day, some of those belief systems we inherited, and we just need to recognise Oh, that doesn't really fit along with my experience, and then we can let them go. But if we never look at them, we can't ever do that.
Martin Furber 30:46
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing, isn't it? How everybody's sort of frame of reference, their window on the world, changes over the years, as you say, yours now is very different from say, 10 years ago, 12 years ago. And mine certainly is. I'm living a completely different life than the one I lived 10 years ago. Yeah, it is, isn't it? How our sort of outlook on things change? Do you feel most of the clients that you help, wish they'd found you sooner?
Mayra Sanchez 31:17
Yes, yeah. Yeah, I think that's a very natural human response. I mean, sometimes I say that to myself. And again, it's that sage perspective. We are in the right place at the right time at the right season, and it is important to believe that yeah, it is counterintuitive to believe that.
Martin Furber 31:40
Yeah, no, it's just I wish I'd discovered hypnotherapy 25 years ago, Denise says she wishes she was taught it in part of her medical training. It's just got to reach the younger people haven't we, so they don't all say I wish I'd found this 20 years ago.
Mayra Sanchez 32:00
Yeah, well, I, you know, I have children, I have two daughters, they're adults in their 30s now, and as much as I gave them of the new things that I learned in my head, I thought, they're never going to suffer like I suffered, because they're getting it early. They still suffer some things that I would never have expected them to suffer. And there is a reality to the generational traumas we meet just kind of pass along, whether we want to or not. It just happens. We all come with a particular set of things that we have to experience in order to evolve. Yeah.
Martin Furber 32:46
And then we get on to things like inherent trauma then as well, don't we? We we're talking about that a few months ago weren't we Denise about. So in our blueprint in our DNA trauma being passed on.
Mayra Sanchez 33:01
Yeah. As a parent, that's a really powerful one that I have to reconcile in my own spirit, so that I avoid getting trapped into, oh, I didn't do enough. I was, I should have done this, I should have done that. I have to let go of that idea. I did all that I could, I did enough. Just like my parents did all that they could, and they did enough. And I have to like, let them go. Stop judging them for what they do. And stop blaming them for what they didn't do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:38
Yeah, yeah. You don't have to reject them. You just let the blame go.
Mayra Sanchez 33:43
Exactly. And that loving differently is my thing right now. I mean, I just recently got married. So we just made a year.
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:50
Congratulations!
Mayra Sanchez 33:51
Thank you. It's my second marriage. And my first marriage was a disaster, 10 years. But it left me with a big gap in between and I did not want to get married again. I was very, very against that. Commitment phobic as you would say. So I really recognised that I had to retrain myself, to live a different kind of life and to be open to it. Right, I opened up my heart even more to be able to accept a partner. As much as I wanted one in my mind. The rest of me wasn't on par with that plan. And I had to go through a process took 10 years for me to go from just dating to getting married. I met my current husband right after the, right, actually not right after, right before the 2012 flooding event. And I think honestly, that if I had not been in that crisis, I never would have been open to a new love.
Martin Furber 34:56
Yeah, just a difference in the language there Mayra. The way you framed that, my current husband. Sounds like you've got the next one lined up.
Mayra Sanchez 35:06
Well, who knows? It's a big joke between him and I, you know, I'm gonna love him til I don't.
Martin Furber 35:13
Oh, brilliant, brilliant. Time's moving on actually Mayra. I can't believe how quickly this episode was gone. Would you like to say anything specific to our viewers and listeners about the therapies you offer the work that you do? I think we'll hand the floor over to you for a few minutes, so people had a really good feel of what you do. Then we'll put in the show notes how they can get in touch with you as well.
Mayra Sanchez 35:40
Oh, wonderful. Well, I would really love to invite your listeners to participate in my mental fitness programme, it is eight weeks long, and my time is very slim right now, because I am taking care of my mom. But I really want to be able to provide this, this season that is coming up, because the holiday stress is crazy. And I'm aware of that. So I really would like to put a couple of groups through the process, because that will better prepare them for the holiday stress so that they can navigate it with ease and flow like I do. So if they are interested. I would love for them to email me and they can add in the subject line hypnosis, and then I'll know that they're coming from here, and then I will happily give them $100 off the programme.
Martin Furber 36:45
Wow, that's very generous. Thank you. Yeah. Lovely. Thank you. Denise. Let me pass over to you now to wrap up the show. Okay, so that's the end of another episode. Mayra, thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure having you on. And I'm sure Denise would love to say goodbye as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 37:02
Exactly. It's goodbye, but hopefully we'll be able to meet in person soon. Yes.
Denise Billen-Mejia 37:16
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Martin Furber 37:33
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