Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are to hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Karen Dunnet 0:36
Okay, and let's get on with the show. Indeed. This week, we've got a very special guest, my former tutor, Karen Dunnet. Karen, hello.
Karen Dunnet 0:44
Hello there.
Martin Furber 0:46
Karen, meet Denise.
Karen Dunnet 0:49
Lovely. Lovely to meet you both. Well I've known you Martin obviously for years now. But and I'm very, very flattered and honoured to be invited onto your podcast.
Martin Furber 1:00
It's great to have you on here.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:03
Where abouts are you Karen?
Karen Dunnet 1:04
I'm based in Skipton in North Yorkshire in the UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:08
Okay, Yorkshire I can handle, Skipton I can't
Karen Dunnet 1:10
Okay. I didn't know where it was either until I came to live here. So that's perfectly understandable. But it's a beautiful little town to market town nice canal going through the Liverpool Leeds canal runs through the middle of the town. So a nice place. But as you may have gathered from my accent I'm not from here. Originally. I'm actually from Aberdeen, in Scotland. That's very helpful.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:34
Another nice place although cooler.
Karen Dunnet 1:35
Not much. Not much cooler than Skipton to be honest. A lot drier and sunnier.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:43
That's good. All right. So what are you going to talk to us about today? How did you become a hypnotist? What What led you to it? That's always a fascinating part of people's lives.
Karen Dunnet 1:53
Right? Okay. Well, I've, this is probably about career number six, to be honest.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:59
Okay,
Karen Dunnet 2:00
I started off in research, I spent a lot of time in pharmaceutical research. And during that point, I've always been fascinated by what goes on in the brain, to be honest. So that scientific background was a beginning towards it. And from there, I've done various other things I did a master's in rural environmental management, hence my interest in nature, which we'll link into that later. And I then took on a cafe. So it's been quite varied really, I have to say. And when you're running a cafe, you find that people do talk to you a lot.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:38
Yes.
Karen Dunnet 2:39
So, I've got that sort of face, apparently people want to talk to you about their problems, which can be good and bad. I'd when I finished with the second cafe I had, I'd always wanted to do something with people. I actually started to do a degree in counselling and this solution focused hypnotherapy training at the same time. And as I went forward with that, I decided that that wasn't a very good retirement plan because it was going to take me about 60 hours a week to do the two together. And I actually came down on the side of solution focused hypnotherapy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:20
Had you been, had you experienced hypnosis yourself?
Karen Dunnet 3:24
No, no, I hadn't. Not at all. It was my cousin's husband, actually, he's a counsellor and a hypnotherapist. And he said, Why don't you try hypnotherapy so that..
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:35
Oh, you have a therapist and in the family that's good.
Karen Dunnet 3:39
Indeed, he doesn't do it anymore. He's retired now but but he was the one who actually persuaded me that this was an interesting and good thing to do. And it suits my sciency background because I can understand, I love to understand more about the workings of the brain. And as I say the solution focused aspect is really what sells it to me because it's such a lovely, positive way to work with people. The counselling, I stopped in the end, I didn't complete that degree. Because it kind of made me realise having to have counselling myself, and not having anything I wanted to talk about in particular, it gave me a full on demonstration of how upsetting it can be to dig down and all into the past and all the things that upset you in the past. So I thought you know what, we don't need to do that. So I don't want to go that route. So here I am.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:34
Not that we're suggesting that people shouldn't use counsellors, it depends on your whatever situation you're in. Yeah, you need to look at all the possibilities of improving your life.
Karen Dunnet 4:47
Absolutely, I would. One size does not fit all does it. But that wasn't the right one for me. So, I went the solution focused route and I love it.
Martin Furber 4:56
This is really strange hearing this from you Karen because I can remember back in the day when you were teaching me the first couple of modules, I couldn't get my head around, not allowing people to off-load. Because similarly to when you had your cafe's, when I was a jeweller, part of people's journey that you know, jewellery is usually an emotive purchase. christenings, birthdays, engagements, weddings, that kind of thing or even memorial jewellery. Quite often people want to off-load as part of the journey of you making something for them. You know, I regarded it as part of my job to listen to them. So I couldn't get my head around that at first, when I was training to be a therapist. You know, it's not necessarily a good thing, listening to people off-load as in, you know, get them concentrating on something else instead. Because I used to think at first how rude not listening to people.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:53
But you, don't, I mean, obviously, they come in and they tell you their story. But then they don't have to relive the pain each time they come in.
Karen Dunnet 6:02
Yeah, we do still listen, because it would be rude not to listen at all, wouldn't it?But the idea is to guide them towards how they want the future to be rather than dwelling in the past. Really, that's how I would I would phrase it, but I remember you being very sceptical about the solution focused at the beginning of the course. And I also remember the day you walked in, and you said, I've got it. I've got it. I got it.
Martin Furber 6:28
I got it. Yeah, I had a light bulb moment because I remembered an incident after the jewellery shop had been robbed and what my GP said to me, and it just suddenly fell into place. It was like, Yeah, I get it. I absolutely get it now. From that point on, I have absolute faith in the process. And I understand why the process works. Yeah, yeah, it was really, really strange,
Karen Dunnet 6:56
Hmm, Yeah, in fact, I have to say, I've often wondered why you chose the solution focused hypnotherapy course, Martin, with that in mind,
Martin Furber 7:05
Hm, because after studying everything, and I shopped around a lot, believe me. It was the only one that appeared to be evidence based, science-backed and not full of BS.
Karen Dunnet 7:20
Yeah, that's a good good reason.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:23
Yeah, you you found it and you started practising right away? You opened your practice as soon as you qualified?
Karen Dunnet 7:31
Yes, yes, I did. And I was in practice for a couple of years, I guess. And then I wanted to become a supervisor. Because as I say, people like talking to me and you know, I enjoy that side of things. And so I did that training with Cathy who is the other tutor that taught Martin she was also my supervisor at that point. And the reason I became a tutor was because she emailed me and said, How's it going, you know, how you're getting on and I said, not too keen on the portfolio element to be honest with me and I've had enough of writing essays but I'm really enjoying the working with with people and then just as a joke I said perhaps I should have been a teacher and she came back to me almost immediately and said you know what, Karen, I'm opening another school in Preston. Do you mean that? Would you really like to be a teacher? So it can be the smallest little thing can't it? A throw away comment, that makes a big change in your life takes a different turn from there
Martin Furber 8:34
Yeah, you planted a hypnotic seed
Karen Dunnet 8:38
Either that or she did! Not sure which way.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:42
You're opening up a hypnosis school in Preston itself, in just the Preston area?
Karen Dunnet 8:50
It's in the Preston area, this there are going to be about eight schools. So it's the Solution Focused Training Academy. And Cathy who I've just mentioned, she's the founder of the whole thing, and she has taken all her knowledge and all her colleagues knowledge about what we think works, what doesn't work, how's the best way to teach, and she's put it all together in this new training course. So Preston is one of the centres at the beautiful Myerscough school college, Martin knows the college although we didn't spend much time there, but it's an agricultural college. So it is a beautiful place.
Karen Dunnet 8:50
And a great for you the environmental person.
Karen Dunnet 8:54
Well, absolutely. It's quite expensive sometimes because there's a really nice garden centre there, and I bumped into Martin there when I'd been teaching other courses, so it can be quite expensive if I get carried away in there.
Martin Furber 9:44
Yeah, Nick and I had driven there one, I think it's a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, I can't remember. It would have been a Sunday I think, as we frequently go visiting garden centres, and we're just breezing through and I'd completely forgotten that the course would you be running there that weekend. I bumped into Karen in the middle of the garden centre. She'd sneaked in there on her lunch break.
Karen Dunnet 10:07
I don't sneak! I just take whatever I buy back into the classroom. So, so yes, it's a wonderful place to do the walking therapy. And this new course, I think everybody involved is really excited about it's the only course where you can get your HPD qualification in six months all the other courses in the UK takes 10,
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:30
Okay, please. When could you say all the big words, please, because you're talking to different countries, and we don't have the same qualifications.
Karen Dunnet 10:39
The HPD is the hypnotherapy practitioners diploma, and that is verified by the the national hypnotherapy Council in the UK, which is one of the leading organisations to deal with hypnotherapy. So sorry, yes, I forgot. There are too many acronyms in this world aren't there?
Martin Furber 11:02
it's an NCFE recognised certificate, isn't it? It is yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:07
Okay. Now you get to do it too!
Martin Furber 11:08
It's the national certificate further education, is it?
Karen Dunnet 11:13
Yeah, I think so. But that's kind of the national qualification. So that's quite exciting. As I say all the other courses in the UK it takes 10 months to get that qualification. So we've shortened that duration. It's going to be a mixture of six face to face weekends, and then two online weekends with Martin in charge of of those. There is a massive support behind it all, which I think is fantastic, called the hive. So people will be able to go on to the hive at they'll be refresher tutorials on there. You know if we've done the rewind, reframe, for example, there'll be little videos on there to remind the students first time they're going to do those.
Karen Dunnet 11:13
Will the students be able to connect with each other as well through that.
Karen Dunnet 11:29
They will and we're also going to have a buddying up system. So, everybody will be buddied up with a with a colleague, with a fellow student on that first module, which I think is really important, because we haven't been doing that formally. People tend to do it, but maybe not right at the beginning. So it's nice to formalise that, I think.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:24
That was one of the one of the biggest things in my training because I was a distance student as well. The states is kind of big, you can't get across the place, in less than a couple of days if you're driving, but my school is based in California. But very early on several of us, we will have a tutoring session with our various different tutors online on X day at X o'clock. Another thing is a problem because you've got several time zones and several of us just just clicked and so there was one person in Washington state one person in Florida, one person in Wisconsin and me so we had three timezones, it got really fun, because some people were still working.
Karen Dunnet 13:13
Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:14
But they became very close friends. And it was it was so nice, when, when I would get frustrated with something that was being supposedly taught to me, and my other experience was disagreeing with it somewhat. I had at least one person I could call always.
Karen Dunnet 13:29
Yeah, yeah, it's good and ta have people to practice with as well. I think that's so important.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:36
Which is the other question about your, at what point do you have people see clients other than fellow students?
Karen Dunnet 13:46
That happens after module three?
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:49
About 50% all the way through? Okay.
Karen Dunnet 13:52
Well, less than that. timewise. Because, yeah, so it's about we're talking 12 weeks in. Yeah. And again, that's really important. And that is another thing that is unique to our course. But there are a lot of courses in the UK, and the students only ever practice on each other. And, to me, that would be absolutely terrifying. I can't imagine only ever having practiced on my fellow students, and then all of a sudden sitting in front of a real client thinking, you know, it's not good for building confidence.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:26
Yes, exactly. How many courses, how many client hours do you require people to complete?
Karen Dunnet 14:35
I think the actual course asks for something like the sorry, the HPD asks for something like 120 Yeah, but if people do what we ask them to do that it tends to be higher than that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:48
Well, this is one of the frustrations that we have, Martin and I, because there's so many courses you can learn to be a hypnotist of over like almost a weekend. And it's not very hard to learn the techniques, but the practice and to know when to use which one?
Karen Dunnet 15:11
Absolutely.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:12
It takes a while. It's does a disservice to people who really want to be good hypnotists, and yet, I've been in meetings I've been in meetings with, and somebody said, Oh no, I saw six people! Six people, that's like first week!
Karen Dunnet 15:30
I know, I know. But we asked people to see four or five, six people per week during training. And that experience is what it's all about. You can read the techniques, you can practice the techniques, but until you've got a real person sitting in front of you, then it's not the same at all. So yeah, very important.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:52
Yeah, good.
Martin Furber 15:54
I'm remembering back now to sort of the anecdotes yourself and Cathy would come out with when you were teaching us and it's that real life experience of the tutors as well, because I can definitely remember Cathy talking about, I think it was a clinic in Chorley she was working in, saying, like the window cleaners, washing the windows, somebody else is banging. Something else is happening. You know, and having the confidence to be able to say, and all of these sounds will remind you of just how relaxed you are.
Karen Dunnet 16:24
Absolutely. You do need the confidence to do that, don't you? Because otherwise you're sitting worried, and if you you're giving off those worried vibes, that's not going to be very helpful.
Martin Furber 16:35
No, I say somebody will pick up on it straightaway, won't htey?
Karen Dunnet 16:37
They will. They will.
Martin Furber 16:38
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Karen Dunnet 16:40
And generally, nobody notices except you. I've certainly had the window cleaner here, while I've been seeing somebody and when they've been in trance, they have no clue. You can have a coughing fit, can't you? And you can just sort of take yourself out and come back and they don't notice.
Martin Furber 16:58
Touch wood, I've never had a coughing fit during trance.
Karen Dunnet 17:01
You've just jinxed yourself there, I think Martin
Martin Furber 17:08
Yeah, that was funny. Last night, Denise on the taster session. They started doing a trance session. You know, me trance junkie. I was like, yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:20
Yeah, I had never been hypnotised successfully. I've been a few groups of oh let's do this little...and I was watching the clock. But the as as we practised, you know, by the time I've been trained in training for about six or seven weeks, it was would you like to be hypnotised? Thank you. It's, all hypnosis is self hypnosis. What a great idea. Let me go to la-la land for a while.
Karen Dunnet 17:48
Yeah, yeah, amazing. Amazing. And actually, you mentioned self hypnosis there. That is one of the things that we're going to be covering on this course, which is not actually included in the requirements to get the HPD that I mentioned earlier. But we've got quite a few extra things in there.
Martin Furber 18:07
Mindfulness hypnosis, Karen, bringing mindfulness, tell us about it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:12
Yeah, that's yeah.
Karen Dunnet 18:13
I mean, I, it's something I use quite a lot in my own practice, actually. Because there's a lot of correlations, I'd say, between mindfulness and hypnosis. So that is something that we're bringing into the new course as well. Cathy was saying last night that there's new research out but shows that it's a powerful combination. So we're definitely including that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:32
It's interesting, I get asked quite often, isn't this just mindfulness? I think if we saw the other side of the coin, you're cleaning out all the stuff that you don't want and, and you'll be able to concentrate so much better. Also, if you're mindful the whole time, you'd be exhausted at the end of the day, you've got to allow your conscious mind to take a break.
Karen Dunnet 18:54
Yes, you do. You do. I think that there are certain aspects of it that really appealed to me. And that kind of links in with the nature. Because I think if you're in nature, you know, if I go for a walk or something, and if I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, or a bit stressed, I will find somewhere just to sit and I will sit there, close my eyes, and just really focus on what I can hear. So taking one sense at a time, that works for me, because it just lets everything else go.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:26
Do you teach that as a separate, it's part of your course, but do you would you teach it to another hypnotist?
Karen Dunnet 19:32
Oh, yes, actually, one thing we're planning to do with this course, is anybody that is aware of what's going on, they can come along for just one module and just pay a module at a time. So if there are specific things they would like to learn, then yeah, they can do that. So yeah, so they could come along for a day or for the whole weekend or two weeks, part the online So yeah, and we will be looking at doing CPDs and things. It's still early days, you know, so we want to get everything just absolutely perfect for the course. And the teaching for the face to face one starts in April. So hopefully, hopefully the distance learning should be up in about January, I think.
Martin Furber 20:05
As as a hypnotherapist, Karen, I really I've never asked you this before. What's the most unusual thing you've had to help somebody with?
Karen Dunnet 20:30
I think the most unusual was somebody came to me, with she had developed a fear not quite a phobia, but a fear of taking her steam engine driving test. No, very unusual thing that's fairly unique. And I don't know if you know this, but it takes eight hours, the driving test to drive a steam engine. So she she'd gone out with her father in law for a trial run. And he had just been so critical, not meaning to be I don't think but you know, instead of giving a constructive criticism, he'd done it in a very negative way and just filled her with dread. And thinking that there was absolutely no way she was going to pass it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:20
I'm trying to figure out what, why would one, do we use that many steam engines still?
Karen Dunnet 21:28
There are quite a few around here actually, sort of touristy pleasure.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:31
Yes. So right that I mean, I think that might be a more stringent exam.
Karen Dunnet 21:38
Well, yeah, might well be so. So as you might imagine, I was thinking really what I was fairly nearly qualified as well. And I'm thinking how long is this rewind going to take? So I did make sure I didn't have afterwards. It didn't take eight hours, I'm very happy to say, but it did take a little longer than than it should have done ideally. But it worked an absolute treat, we did the reframe. And I got a wonderful message from her a week or so later saying she'd passed with flying colours. So it was lovely. But that I think, is possibly the most unusual thing I've had to deal with so far. How about you guys? What's the what's your most unusual?
Martin Furber 22:22
I'd have to think about it. Denise, what about yours?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:24
Yeah, I don't. I think just about everything, I've had at least two people asked me for everything. The one that always, we mentioned several times in the various podcasts we've done, that is people coming in, they want to forget a particular person, and they just want to cut them out completely from their life, which is not doable. And you spend more time trying to explain to them what they wouldn't want that to happen than actually hypnotising Yeah, it is nice to be able to tell people we can make it really, really unimportant that just don't have to think about it anymore, but I can't make it go away.
Karen Dunnet 22:58
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Martin Furber 23:04
I've never had anything that I would regard is that unusual. I'm doing something, some other work I've been doing recently it is very, very different with the trans community. People who are transitioning and getting used to using their new voice, which they've had professional voice training for. But they've got mental blocks in the use of that's been ongoing with a number of clients. Over the months now, I've been getting brilliant success with it. And it's not something that ever occurred to me. It was a professional voice coach who approached me and said, you know, she's been getting some fantastic results with these people in training the voice from the technical aspects, but they've got mental blocks when it comes to using it outside of the training sessions. She just said to me, do you think hypnotherapy would work? I said, let's give it a go. Yeah, we're some brilliant results right from the outset.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:08
So your school will start in April.
Karen Dunnet 24:12
We start in April, we've got about...
Karen Dunnet 24:14
Do you have a waitlist? So we can put the waitlist in our show notes if you can sign up.
Karen Dunnet 24:21
I'm sure we can send you some information, we don't have a list, but we do have an application process.
Martin Furber 24:27
I'll the website in the show notes Karen.
Karen Dunnet 24:30
That would be the ideal way to do it. And yeah, it's a very simple process. You just send an email in, and then which school you're interested in because there's going to be about eight, mainly at the moment, mainly in the north of England, although apparently we're opening one in Guildford as well, which.
Martin Furber 24:48
Oh, wow, down in Surrey.
Karen Dunnet 24:49
That was news to me yesterday. So that will be, that's exciting. So that'd be nine to start off with. So yes, starting in April, everybody's really excited about it. Can't wait up to get going.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:06
Are you going to run twice a year? Because I assume everybody's in the same cohort?
Karen Dunnet 25:10
Okay. Yeah, we are. So it'll be April, September, and then October to March. So yes, there'll be two courses every year. Fantastic, looking forward to it. So yeah. And as I said that the other we sort of touched on this earlier, and then we moved away from it, the walking therapy is also going, that's going to be another aspect of the course that hasn't been included, and I don't think is included in any other course. But because of my love of nature, and that's my place to go. I looked into it during lockdown. Actually, that was that's when I really started to pay attention to it. And it's just such,
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:51
When you say it's offered, it's offered by the course that you're running, or is it is it offered across all of the ones that are Cathy's new academy,
Karen Dunnet 25:59
It's going to be an all the new ones. Yeah, it's gonna be covered across the board.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:04
So no, nobody has to worry about am I signing up for the right one? Because I want to do this.
Karen Dunnet 26:09
Well, no, but obviously Preston is going to be the best one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:16
The only place I've heard obviously, you can walk around and run Winckley Square.
Karen Dunnet 26:22
Well, actually, walking around, just walking is very beneficial to us as well. As we've already mentioned, there's lots lots of research out there to show that even if you can't get to a green space, it's still worth going out. It just helps settle the mind. Nature's fantastic, because there are so many things that we talked about fractals, the noises, seeing some fantastic wildlife just puts everything into perspective, I think. And there are so many metaphors you can use with people in the natural world.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:55
We're gonna have to have you back, because the usual thing to says, and what do you think you'll be doing next? But you already know. It's concrete. Now you just wait for the passage of time. I assume you're gonna stick with this for a bit before you add anything else to the mix?
Karen Dunnet 27:11
I think so...
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:11
It takes a little while.
Karen Dunnet 27:12
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It needs to bed-in doesn't it really.
Martin Furber 27:16
You know what you've not mentioned. Karen sorry, to jump-in.
Karen Dunnet 27:20
What have I not mentioned?
Martin Furber 27:22
Hypnofix?
Karen Dunnet 27:22
Oh, gosh, no I haven't have I?.
Martin Furber 27:25
Watch Denise's ears prick-up!
Karen Dunnet 27:26
Hypnofix, it's like a headband. It's an it's like a very portable EEG, with instant data. So you can track what's going on in your client's brain while you're doing the session.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:43
Are you doing? Is this something you would use for research point of view? Is it more of a convincer for your clients?
Karen Dunnet 27:49
It's going to be a bit of both. I'd say it's good from a research point of view, because you can sort of prove that things are happening. But yeah, it's also a convincer your clients because if they're if they're a bit doubtful, you can actually show them well, this is what happened in my brain during that session.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:05
I'm going to have to look into it. I have some lovely, lovely clients, because I work pretty much only online I see very few people in person. But but I have had several people who've had really good success. And they come and they tell me they feel really good. And x y&z has happened. And then they say, I don't understand, are you really hypnotising me?
Karen Dunnet 28:30
You get that, I feel much better, but I don't know why!
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:33
And my very my very famous lady, I did a lady and I gave her a really, really low rate because she's a very fixed income. And she can't, I always require people to have a second session that's built into it. Give a second session. So it didn't you know, your lovely voice but didn't didn't do anything. So, I said what have you been up to the last few weeks, she came to me because she was having sort of social anxiety. We were coming out of Covid, and she'd been locked up for a long time. And she was an older woman. She said, Well, I've joined a walking group and I've joined the golf club and I'm going away on vacation. Didn't work. Let me know if you need anything.
Karen Dunnet 29:16
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? People just Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:19
Because it's such a natural way that it works. It's not like suddenly there's a light bulb!
Karen Dunnet 29:23
Oh, yeah, things just fall into place, don't they? And it feels as you say, feels so natural. People think, Oh, I didn't need to come to you then. You know.
Martin Furber 29:35
Don't you think that's like a lot of things in life, isn't it when you make something look easy to somebody? Yeah. It is a very softly softly approach and process, isn't it? And yeah, I got asked me it's like, I'm not sure if it's working or not. Well, what's been good this week. What have you done? And it's a lot of things that they weren't doing three weeks before. Karen, can I just take you right back to when you first started practising as a therapist? Because you did some really interesting work? I'm sure our listeners would be interested in it. You did a lot with cancer patients, didn't you?
Karen Dunnet 30:16
I did. Yeah. That was one of the ways I got experience volunteering with to cancer charities. And it was it was a lovely thing to do. I wasn't sure to be honest, when I first started how I would find it, because I've lost lots of people to cancer, which is what drew me to it, results of it. And if, yeah, but it was a lovely thing to do. And very satisfying thing to do. You've got to be gentle. Obviously, when you're working with people who sometimes you know, it's a terminal illness, but we can still help them we can still help them to relax, we can still help them to, to focus on what's going well, and what's been good. And help them to face the future as well. You know,
Martin Furber 31:08
Can you believe it? We're filled up an entire show Karen.
Karen Dunnet 31:12
Fantastic.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:13
We're not going to cut you off until you've said everything you want to save. You can of course come back and say some other stuff. When we come back in summer of next year. And tell us how your first course went.
Karen Dunnet 31:24
I would love to I would love to, that would be fantastic. Thank you. Yeah.
Martin Furber 31:29
Yeah, that'll be breat. But is there anything you'd like to say to our viewers and listeners Karen, about SFTA? Or about how people can contact you? If, if they've seen you today and would like to have therapy with you? I'll put your website on the show notes.
Karen Dunnet 31:44
Yeah, absolutely. Please do. And I would love to hear from anybody who's interested in the course. I think, Martin, you're going to put the SFMTA website?
Martin Furber 31:53
I am yeah.
Karen Dunnet 31:57
I honestly think it is the most innovative and exciting way of teaching hypnotherapy in the UK at the moment, because it's just drawn so many people's experience, people who've been tutoring for a long time. So we know what works. We know what doesn't work. And also a lot I don't know how many years experiences therapists you'd have if you added us all up together. But there's an awful lot of experience that we want to share with people and we want to, we really want to give people the best training positive possible with the best support we can give them and turn out competent, capable, confident and happy, happy practitioners. That's what we want to do.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:40
So it was really nice meeting you.
Karen Dunnet 32:43
I loveg meeting you too. Thank you for having me on podcast.
Martin Furber 32:49
You're more than welcome thanks for coming in. We'll definitely get you back on a few months time. I will look forward to that and giving you an update. Thank you. Thank you
Denise Billen-Mejia 33:07
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Martin Furber 33:23
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