Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Happy New Year Denise, series 5!
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:37
Happy New Year to you. Oh, gosh, yeah, it's been going on a while. So we had, we had decided that we weren't going to do new year's resolutions, because this will not go out for a little bit, but probably in the same kind of bucket. So through talking about that. New Year and Christmas can be incredibly stressful for some.
Martin Furber 0:52
Absolutely. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:05
And you and I both had our stresses this year. I mean, they were they were fine everybody, we're fine. But life is a stressor, right? You have to learn how to deal with various things. And both of us were were very good in many respects, we took proper vacation time.
Martin Furber 1:24
I did yeah, I've taken a proper break, because last year was, I would say was pretty full on for me. I had an awful lot to do. I mean, even the planned things that I had to do were pretty full on, you know, quite hard going, as they were without extra stressors thrown into the mix or unexpected things happening. You know, like all the things that happened that were unexpected in April, threw a spanner in the works, as it were. Because I remember joking at the time saying it's s good job I know how to deal with stress.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:06
Yeah, I had my own plumbing disasters and things like that, those are the stressors for me. When it comes to having a business, I have appointments with people, and I know the repair person is going to be at the door and I have yo rundown stairs. It's just that kind of juggling stuff, which I find quite stressful. Yeah. What do you, we were talking about stress signatures. Do you know what your own signature is?
Martin Furber 2:30
Oh, well. Yeah, one of them. One of them's the big no, no, for me is I'm a stress eater.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:38
Oh, dear.
Martin Furber 2:39
Yeah. So then I.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:41
So you notice, when you see yourself doing that you realise that you're stressed?
Martin Furber 2:45
Yeah, I have to stop myself. I surf that urge.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:49
Okay, what do you do about the stress itself?
Martin Furber 2:51
I find some other way of dealing with it, hopefully, sort of practice what I preach. My best de-stressor the absolute best thing I can do to completely de stress is go for a walk for about an hour and a half. Where I live, it's about a four mile walk uphill, and then a four mile walk downhill. Which takes me between an hour and a half and two hours because I walk quite briskly. And that does the trick generally for me. But again, it's like when you're so stressed, you can think no, you're too wound up to do it. Have you ever had that feeling?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:31
Oh frequently! I used us to be, through college and medical school, walking also, but especially if it was raining. A good thunderstorm I'm going out for a walk.
Martin Furber 3:44
No I'm not keen on walking in the rain. My favourite time for walking is when it's really cold, but the sky is blue, and it's sunny.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:53
Well that in itself, just the sun coming out, makes me feel tonnes better anyway, it doesn't necessarily lessen my stress. But I just I have so much more energy when the sun's up as it is today. Yeah, they are calling for snow a bit later that may be a bit stressful for people that drive? No, there's lots of different things but but the the sort of stress that we had, expected to talk about is the more, you can't do anything about, the thing that is stressing you, the only thing you can do is affect how you respond to it. And depending on how many of them hit you at the same time.
Martin Furber 4:33
But yeah, see, I would say to that though, you can actually build that resilience beforehand, can't you? So that when life does throw a few lemons at you, you are in a better place to deal with it. I mean I talk about a metaphorical stress bucket, don't I quite a lot. And what I'm saying is, you know generally the way I look at things is if we can keep that bucket pretty low, when all the things get thrown in there, it still won't overflow, it won't push us over the edge. It's our ability to deal with things, isn't it, and our ability to bounce back quickly.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:08
So you're not talking really about the stressor, the thing which is stressing you, is going to wind up in the bucket. It is, again, how you deal with it, deal with it quickly and chuck it back out! You're suggesting but you know, a lot of stressors, you can't do anything about. You lose your job, that's big, and it has so many other things. Am I gonna lose the house? Am I gonna lose this? There's so many other things. So how would you, if I came to you and said, I'm having all these stress headaches? For me, headaches and pain in my back is where my body decides to tell me, something's going on. I'm better at recognising that I've got too many things or balls to juggle than I used to be. I'm a bit more in control over my life than I used to have. But what would your recommendation as a hypnotist be? What would you suggest first?
Martin Furber 6:07
To somebody who wants to get their stress levels down? Symptoms of headaches.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:12
Right? Exactly the head that you know, I can't get rid of this headache. I used to get migraines a lot, and they just would not go away. But and it will tend to be I would I would key up and use all my adrenaline to deal with the stress, and when the stress was gone then I'd get the headache.
Martin Furber 6:32
Right. Okay. Well, I would, the first thing I would do is ask them to get checked out with their GP anyway. Ther could be a very good reason for that headache. Especially if somebody's you know, developed over the last two or three months really bad headaches, then they really need to see their GP.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:48
Oh, absolutely. Well, you know, you I insist on it anyway, because there's so many other things, but I'm not sure what you're talking about. Somebody's talking about somebody who's had a chronic tendency to have headaches, especially when they've been stressed. Yeah,
Martin Furber 7:03
Well, straight away, sort of start working with them about how their life would be without the stressors, without the stress. How it would be, get them thinking along those lines, get them to realise that, you know, things can be done, without that stress, they can move forward without that stress, get them to visualise it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:27
You aren't going to be able to stop the stressor, that is life, as we were joking about before we came on air. You know, why would you get out of bed if it wasn't something stressing you? A quick run to the bathroom, or quick run downstairs to get something to eat, getting a lack of caffeine headache. Those are the stresses that get you out of bed in a morning.
Martin Furber 7:49
Yeah, we can't get rid of the stressors, but what we can do is help people to be better prepared for the next lot of stress that comes along. Because if they were better prepared in the first place, that the stressor would not, or might not have affected them quite so much. And that's the sort of angle I would go from Yes, yeah. I mean, if you take a client into a lovely, blissful, relaxing trance, there's every chance at the time you bring them back out to it half an hour later, their headache, may well have receded. And it may well stop it coming back as quickly. If you if they leave you if they leave your practice, relaxed, feeling better about themselves feeling hopeful. And hopefully, that will help keep things at bay. And then of course, it's equipping them with all the other things that are over the week ahead.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:49
Do you do teach your clients relaxation methods to use when they notice that stress is arriving on their doorstep again?
Martin Furber 8:12
Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, we both provide nighttime recordings don't we for our clients. But I also teach them various methods they can employ at various times of the day, because we can't you know, it we're at work, we can't always just put the recording on and go and lie down 20 minutes come, can we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:11
They do tend to frown on that a lot!
Martin Furber 9:14
There's some really simple things. I mean, you've got different kinds of headaches, not that you need me to explain that to you. But a lot of headaches start with tension at the back of the neck, don't they? From sitting there and what have you. I mean, just doing some shoulder rolls can make such a difference. And it's something we can do four or five, six times a day throughout the day. That's something I actually do, especially when I'm sat at this desk for long periods of time, and getting that message across to people that self care isn't self indulgence. It's about building that strength up, building that resilience. That's the way I look at it. But you know, getting back to what you're saying about in terms of hypnotherapy, and in terms ofpeople with their stressors, as it were, yes, we can't do anything about the stressors, we can alter the way that they look at them though, we can alter the way, we can help them alter their perceptions of the stressors, because you know, as well as I do, when we're really, really stressed out, when everything's on top of us, we will automatically want to view everything in the worst possible case scenario. That's part of what we do when we're stressed, isn't it, we don't see the good do anything. We tend to look at everything from the worst possible case scenario.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:39
One of one of the most common things that people come to me for is anger management, which is usually stress related. So some of some of the work is for them to identify what it is that's causing this stress to arrive, we all have bills, is it because you forget to pay your bills, and therefore it suddenly becomes an emergency that sort of thing. I don't work with very many people who are economically challenged by a lot I mean, we all are to some degree. But most people it it's bad, general, so bad management, that sounds very judgmental. They haven't put in place the kind of habits that would allow things to be more automatic, which of course is what a habit is, and then they would not be stressed at any as much by those things.
Martin Furber 11:31
Okay, so would you help somebody to identify bad habits, then?
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:38
Yeah, well, we'd work backwards from what the stress is, and how that, why is that stressful and not, why they identify, it as stressful, we tend to use the word incorrectly as we keep trying, trying to correct ourselves and then make the same mistake, because it's, it isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing. It's just the thing. Somebody who's trying to plan their wedding is usually not realising that they're stressed by it, they tend to think, Oh, I've got so much to do, and having so much to do, and still go to work and still do all these other things. You know, that is a stress. So it's, and part of the stress is the fact that you're doing things that aren't part of your habit system.
Martin Furber 12:15
So anything that takes you outside of your habit system, it takes you out of your comfort zone, yeah, it's perceived as a threat. And that's why we don't like change, good or bad. I mean, what do you think about it...
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:29
You don't say, I'm really miserable, because I'm getting married. So it's hard for people to realise that that's what it is.
Martin Furber 12:38
Yeah. But when you think about it, some of the biggest things in our lives that we look forward to are actually the most stressful even though they're supposed to be the most enjoyable. IE, getting married, having a baby buying a house, buying a car, changing jobs. You know, there's a typical example, okay. You go for the dream job, you go through the interview processes, everything else. And then you go to start there, probably one of the most stressful days of your life, even though you were looking forward to it, and you fought tooth and nail for the job, and passed all the rigorous processes, etc. It's still going to be incredibly stressful, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:14
Of course, because there's all these people looking at you doing your new job.
Martin Furber 13:21
But, yeah, so I mean, getting back to stress signatures, it's what we feel, perhaps when stress is coming on that it's those early indications or even little subconscious signs we might give off to other people. They might notice before we do perhaps, becoming a bit more withdrawn, becoming very irritable.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:45
Yeah, it's irritability and sort of snapping at people when they do anything. You looked at me sideways, don't do that. Yeah.
Martin Furber 13:52
And not having the time for people or the patience with them that you perhaps usually would have.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:58
And then you go back to the good habits of getting enough sleep, possibly more if it really is stressful. Yeah, I just I don't think with the exception of people coming to me for headaches or backache or those kinds of semi chronic, you know comes and goes, but it's still problematic pain, and we brought out organ actic, organ what a word Denise! Organic things, so physical reasons for those pains. And indeed, emotional health or such as is addressed by a physician. But again, it can still be a good stress, the person has to acknowledge that they are stressed they have to realise that it's their response. We need a new word. We need a word for the stress, the stress response. And that's two words obviously, but it's too long. But it's it isn't the stress itself it is their response to it. But that could be tied to so many other things. is, you know, did was this a person who, when they were a child, they lost their house, or you know, some, there are all sorts of reasons that you could have idiopathic reason for a response that other people would not have, because most people are going through the same stresses. Life is difficult. Maybe you're watching the news too much as I am at the moment, you know, there's this all of those things will tend to give you less energy to fight whatever the next stress is. And so they build up. You can't empty the bucket fast enough.
Martin Furber 15:42
Well, they say that only with watching the rolling news channels, etc. You just, you know, pumping all that negativity in, because let's face it, bad news sells good news doesn't.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:51
And it was bad enough when it was just, you know, six o'clock news. Now it's 24/7.
Martin Furber 15:56
Yeah, well, you can't get away from it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:59
24/7 beating it to death, because they've got to fill the time somehow. And they're saying the same thing over and over and over and over.
Martin Furber 16:06
Well yeah, repetition, repetition, repetition, we if of course how we ingrain things in our minds. Good or bad. I mean, it's how we develop habits, isn't it by repetition. So we learn by repetition, you just think of tying your shoelaces as a good example of it. And you know, that's the thing when I've talked about before with doom-scrolling, that's the other thing, you know, we're scrolling on our phones for the news. And you know, it's always the bad news that catches our eyes, isn't it?
Martin Furber 16:07
And so it bleeds it leads. That's the problem, they tend to tell you it constantly.
Martin Furber 16:41
But it's like, okay, so you touched on something there about why a stressor may affect one person differently from another, in terms of it could be, well it's down to their sort of the window on the world. What's happened in their life previously, what have you. So therefore, would we sort of help to settle their subconscious mind, with hypnotherapy, would we do something there?
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:13
You might want to, depending on how traumatic the memory was. And if they're able to identify a specific memory, then we could certainly help them take the colour out of that memory. You don't get rid of a memory. But you can change the way you respond to it. You can change how, how huge it feels in psyche. So yes, I would do that, if they can identify a particular thing that bothers them. Most of us are made up of lots of particular things. And they're all sort of related. Yeah, I mean, I've had a few people come and say, I have really bad relationship with my mother. And they don't seem they don't seem to want to have a better relationship. Thye just want to get rid of the bad memories. I would assume if they got rid of some of the bad memories, yeah, because grownups grow up too! A lot of people are parents when they're too young, or they have the stress of being a mother is quite...
Martin Furber 18:07
Well, yeah. I mean, I actually had a similar discussion with another client recently, and a point I made to them. And it's a it is a massive generalisation, but I do think it's appropriate in perhaps a majority of cases. At the time of the life, most people have their children, they have the least time and they have the least money. Yeah. You know, that's the way it goes, isn't it? And this stems from a discussion about grandparenting, the amount of people who've said to me, both personally and professionally, about how they look at their parents as grandparents and how they're much better grandparents, than they were parents, it's like, well, yeah, they've got the time and they've got the money now.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:54
And they've had the practice.
Martin Furber 18:55
Yeah, and they've had the practice as well. It's like, again, there's a good example of stressors, how you how they would deal with it, how a parent would deal with it differently from a grandparent
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:07
And traditionally people have children in their early 20s. Not all of us by any means, me included, but you don't finish growing up until you're about 25. That's when adolescence officially ends. You've got a lot. you're still learning yourself.
Martin Furber 19:23
Of course you are.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:24
So parents who feel like they, cut yourself a break, and don't, by all means improve, but don't beat yourself up for it because we all make mistakes.
Martin Furber 19:35
Oh, absolutely. They don't come with a manual do they?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:39
They don't, neither child nor parent comes with a manual.
Martin Furber 19:44
So yeah, so thinking about the, some specific stressors then, you've got financial worries, employment worries, family worries.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:53
Right here, right now, we've got the election worry. Political and other news, you know, wars in other people's countries. And you know, this, there's a tonne of stuff that we actually, it's only recently, in recent history that we've had this interface all the time. It used to take me weeks or months to get news from a war zone. If you had somebody serving overseas, they were gone for a couple of years at a time.
Martin Furber 20:19
Yeah, I mean, I can remember back in the 80s, the Falklands War, where even then, you know, it was two or three days before we got the news, right.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:28
But not now, it's as as it unfolds, and so it's even more stressful, you feel like you're there when you're not. Do you find that people come to you for one thing, but actually, actually, the problem is another thing?
Martin Furber 20:42
Well, funnily enough, I always say, or I often say, the reason is never the reason that they come to see you for, it especially when it comes to stress, because people are perhaps that stressed out, that, again, they're failing to see things with clarity, you know, they want help with stress, but then it's like, well, let's look at, like you say, let's look at the stressors, let's look at the things that are causing this in the first place. You know, how would it be if you reacted differently to it? How would you like to react to this kind of thing? How would you like to be able to cope with it? Or how have you coped with it in the past?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:24
Yeah, why Is today the day you came to see me? What was different about today from yesterday? Or, you know, the week that you go, that you made the appointment? What was different? Do you ever have people make an appointment, because we both of us do international consults, do they ever come to you for an initial consult, and by the time they actually have their appointment, they've sort of half dealt with the problem already?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:45
Yes, I've had it in the question of people have said just after the initial consult, I feel better already as not
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:53
just knowing they're heard.
Martin Furber 21:55
Yeah, but it's like, you've said this, to me before, as a doctor, when somebody goes to see their GP over here, with, I don't know, think of any particular thing where they're not feeling well at all. They go to see the doctor, the doctor writes a prescription, you immediately feel better walking out, because you'll get a surge of feel good, just knowing that you're going to get some pills that will help you.
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:23
It's also just knowing somebody heard, and it was a valid concern that you had.
Martin Furber 22:27
And I think that's the same thing for us, as therapists, althouh obviously, we don't write prescriptions out. Just the fact that if somebody feels that they've connected with you, and that you've understood their issue, and you've helped other people with these issues, they will start to feel better. You've got hope. If you've got hope you've got something then haven't you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:46
And not that I think they should not go to the doctor, they should, if they're worried about something, but just talking to a friend can be extremely therapeutic. A trouble shared is a trouble halved. That sounds like you're putting on your friend, which is, we don't want to do that, but it is nice to hear it out loud. And it's oh, it's only that thing I have to deal with not this thing inside you, that's getting bigger and bigger and bigger every time you think about it, because we're concentrating on it, as you say,
Martin Furber 23:18
Yeah, but sometimes we just need to clear it out of the way, don't we? So like you say, sharing that with a friend is a brilliant thing to do. But also, in terms of something that may be unresolved when people just keep going over the same argument in their head, with something that's happened in the past with somebody, and they can't change the past we can't, it's gone, it's finished, no matter how many times you might reinvent the argument in your head and wished it ended differently. It didn't. And I've suggested before now to write everything down as a letter and then burn it. That's a good way of getting closure on something.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:54
It's actually one of the ways I deal with bad memory, so people, in trance. You actually physically have them write it down and burn it?
Martin Furber 24:04
I've done it. I've done it before now, yes, I've asked him to do it before now. And I've donr it in trance as well. Yeah, yeah. And as you, you mentioned something before actually, a little bit earlier on in this conversation, about taking the colour out of a bad memory. Do you literally do that with visualisation?
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:24
Yeah. And if it's an argument, then you take that you either make the voice a ridiculous voice. Make it so tiny can't be heard.
Martin Furber 24:33
Yeah. And it is amazing, isn't it? Because if, and you can apply this to a lot of things in hypnotherapy with clients, for example, if they're going back to headaches, okay, you could ask a client, or backache, you can ask the client to try and just make it a little bit worse, a little bit worse, make the pain a bit more intense and they can do. Yeah, so that then you when you say, well, you can do it the other way as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:57
Well, that's what you do with the control room. When you prove to the person, yes, you have control over some of this. Not again, don't get rid of a pain and it's giving you important information. You deal with the important information part, then we'll get rid of the pain. But yeah, I use control rooms for a lot of things. Most people have got good control. So, I wonder what their control looks like. I wonder if it's sort of a Willy Wonka thing, you know?
Martin Furber 25:26
Oh, mine would be sleek and black, it will also have a button slider button.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:31
Okay. To each his own.
Martin Furber 25:36
What would yours look like?
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:38
I'm actually, I think very old fashioned dials.
Martin Furber 25:41
Okay.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:43
Now that tends to be more, probably, because that's from when I worked in the lab. That's when, I'm old, remember! I think most of my stress these days is voicemail and, and trying to get things done because of all the AI stuff that's happening. It just so infuriating to me that, you know if I'm, if I'm trying to get through because I didn't get a package or something. It's just hours and hours and hours of having to and I've got 900 other things to do.
Martin Furber 26:10
Right. Okay. That's one thing really gets my goat! Really gets it! Here we go, yes, stress bucket filler for me. Yeah. Like you say, if you're trying to get through to a company that you've purchased something from when you've got a query, whatever you know, or non delivery or something and you're through to the chatbots. And it's 25 minutes faffing about by the time you can get to speak to a human being, okay. That's one thing I really really do not like about progress. You can't pick up the phone and get through to human being in a reasonable amount of time.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:44
Yeah, all right. And sometimes at all, there are several services, things like Amazon, which is taking over the world. Yeah, you can you can't get a human. I did once. But it was a couple of years since the last time I don't know what button I pressed to get this. There's no obvious pathway to get to a human. However, that's a different that's an existential problem. When, what do you find a client comes to you first for? How do they, do people call you? I said I have people call and say, I want to have be better with, I feel too stressed, I want to get rid of the stress. But more likely, they're gonna say I'm want help with anger management, or sleep or back pain.
Martin Furber 27:33
Very rarely do they use the word stress, it tends to be the word anxiety. Mm hmm. And people saying I feel anxious. And more than one person has said about having a sort of impending feeling of doom.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:50
That's a terrible thing to say, to a doctor, they would get very worried about that. What do you do? If somebody says that to you? What do you do? Do you check they've seen their doctor lately.
Martin Furber 27:59
I do. I've had that said to me on more than one occasion by people who are already on prescribed antidepressants.
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:08
Hmm, I wonder if they are actually feeling it, then. I mean, there's only a couple of diagnosis when you're in an emergency room if you hear somebody say that you like drop everything and run because there are a few things that would really upset me.
Martin Furber 28:26
Really?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:27
Yeah, yeah. Well, obviously the look on their faces, as they said it. I can say I have a feeling of impending doom when clearly I do not, you know, but yeah.
Martin Furber 28:37
I mean, that to me went on further investigation, it's just been that feeling of overwhelming despair, right. And not knowing where to look or what to do. I mean, I did have a case of somebody coming to me, ringing me up for a consultation, who had been to their doctors, been diagnosed with depression, and prescribed antidepressants. And they were ringing me up five days later to say the tablets weren't working. Yeah, no, they won't do by now!
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:11
But except for that lovely little semi placebo effect. I've got something for this. I'm going to feel better. Yes.
Martin Furber 29:17
But yeah, well, I was able to take the time to explain to them, how that medication works, their GP in a 10 minute slot wouldn't have had the time to explain to them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:28
Right, or the pharmacist either when they took the prescription.
Martin Furber 29:31
Well the pharmacist may have had the time but over here, people perhaps wouldn't think of asking the pharmacist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:37
I think it's quite hilarious. They talk about HIPAA here or patient privacy then they yell your name give you the medicine asked you know what, how to use it for ? When you should be in a quiet consulting room. They don't have time to do that. So back up a little bit. When you get a client like that, have they been pre screened are these people that are coming from the clinic so They've already been examined by somenody.
Martin Furber 30:03
In that particular case, I'm talking about clients that have just come to me, the found me on Google or the website or whatever.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:09
So how do you make sure that they've been cleared medically?
Martin Furber 30:14
Well, as I say, just thinking of this one particular person, they had been prescribed antidepressants five days previously. And you know, they haven't had a chance to sort of take effect. And this person, obviously hadn't had their expectations managed properly. I think they were thinking, you know, they could take the pill, and the next day, they'd feel better.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:34
It's often the problem in medicine, it's just, everything's a quick fix. Because it's marketed that way. I don't mean, it just, it's unfortunate.
Martin Furber 30:46
No, but ultimately, with everything, you know, anything we keep putting off, putting off and putting off are things that we have to deal with.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:52
It's obvious, really, but whenever you try and avoid doing something, because it's going to take too long, it's going to take longer. Yeah. And you've used all that energy to push it away and push it away.
Martin Furber 31:06
Yeah. So yeah, and we need to deal with it. So on that note,
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:10
I still say self care, which is not just a mani pedi it is taking care of yourself properly. So dealing with problems in an appropriate fashion, when they happen, and getting help when you need it.
Martin Furber 31:24
Yeah, now that's the thing, isn't it? Asking for help? Some people are very reluctant to do that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:29
Yeah, for lots of reasons. I have to admit, I have this problem or just, they've made up or they feel like they shouldn't. That's yeah, very common. women, women's means all the time that.
Martin Furber 31:45
Yeah, or they may feel ridicule or something like that. I mean, yeah, that's, you know, that's the thing. I mean, just as a final message to people watching or listening to this. Never ever feel daft consulting either of us about something. Because, you know, if it's something that is making you feel bad, making you feel anxious, making you feel stressed, we can very probably help with it. And we wouldn't laugh, would we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:10
Never! Of course not. But you know, we're not gonna pay the bill, but we can you can talk to us, and we can help you.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:15
Help you figure it out.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:18
Help you figure it out exactly. Hypnosis for figuring it out.
Martin Furber 32:26
Well, just by de-stressing somebody is in a better position to figure things out. Because again, when we're stressed when we're overwhelmed, we can't think straight we can't focus we can't give things attention.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:36
Good cry a cup of tea and a nap, is what you need.
Martin Furber 32:42
Right, I'll catch you on the next one Denise. We'll have a guest. Not sure who yet, but we will have one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:48
OK - Bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:58
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Martin Furber 33:15
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