Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor and consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapist talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So, let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Welcome to another episode.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:38
I imagine you're having a busy week?
Martin Furber 0:41
It's been a very busy week at the moment. Yeah, very, very busy. All things are blasting away. Yeah, because it's only two or three months now till I will be lecturing on hypnotherapy for SFTA
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:56
That's right. Yeah, you're getting all your ducks in a row for that
Martin Furber 1:00
I am. Yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:04
What's your favourite topic?
Martin Furber 1:07
Um,
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:08
When you're lecturing, when you're teaching people hypnosis what are those things? What is your is your favourite topic?
Martin Furber 1:15
I like the miracle question, which of course is based on solution focused brief therapy rather than hypnotherapy. But I do like the miracle question, because it's the start of that imaginative process, of visualising a better future. Visualising where you want to be. And because hypnosis is all about visualisation, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:34
It is indeed. Not necessarily visual.
Martin Furber 1:38
No, not necessarily, it can be a feeling.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:40
A feeling, or a song. Whatever it is, whatever it is for you is fine. You just have to have a little bit of imagination. No, actually what I'm going to ask, what I meant, what sort of issues as your prefer, what do you have a particular kind of niche that you like to work with?
Martin Furber 1:58
Well, I work pretty much across the board. But I do particularly like working with people with anxiety.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:05
There's a lot of them about!
Martin Furber 2:06
Yeah, I know. But the the difference you can make to people's lives is really something special. Don't get me wrong, it's great helping people to mentally rehearse for a driving test or public speaking or something like that. But when somebody is, I don't like to use the word, but when someone is really stricken with anxiety, when they, you know, basically start to feel sick, physically sick at the thought of leaving the house, and within a few weeks, you know that the problems are more or less resolved, it's a good feeling. It is. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Do you find that in this job, though? You know, how good is that feel good feeling.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:52
I'm now getting calls from clients who finished, but just keep in touch now. And every month, I'll just have a chat. Oh, sure. And have a chat. They're doing really well. It's nice.
Martin Furber 3:04
Yeah, it is nice when people just let you know how they're going on. But also, as I say, it's just for me, it's that feeling of knowing that you've helped them get to where they want to be. Because I always say I mean, that's what I always say with everybody, isn't it? Where are you now? Where do you want to be? If you can answer those two questions.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:21
We're have a plan.
Martin Furber 3:23
We're already in the right direction. Yeah, we're already, I won't say halfway there, because that's not true, but we're certainly on the way there aren't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:29
So before we started, we said that you were going to tell me about this doctor who used to practice medicine and psychiatry. Psychiatry is a form of medicine, but physical medicine as well as psychiatric medicine. And, was also trained in hypnosis. From the previous century, not this one. But early in the previous century.
Martin Furber 3:54
We're talking previous century aren't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:58
But but you know, thinking it was 100 years ago that such and such happened. And yet, when I was learning it as a kid, it was a fairly recent event. So what are you going to tell me about this doctor?
Martin Furber 4:13
No, I was watching a programme about Agatha Christie the other night, and they were talking about that period where she disappeared for a little while. And then when she came back, things weren't as they were before, for quite a few years. And then there were rumours flying around that she'd been to see a psychiatrist on Harley Street in London and I started to look into some of the workings of some of the old psychiatrists on Harley Street. And there was one a Dr. William Brown, who...
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:44
Just interject here for any Americans listening who don't know what the significance of Harley Street is. That was the place to have your medical office. Those people have arrived.
Martin Furber 4:55
Yeah, it still is.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:56
And then yeah, it's not a national health place.
Martin Furber 4:58
He was a medical doctor, and also trained in psychiatry. And then he is known for the work he did, helping people with what was called then called shell-shock. 1914 onwards from World War One.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:24
I wonder what they called it before? Because they must have been signs.
Martin Furber 5:27
Before they had shells? I don't know. 'Gunpower shock'.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:32
Yeah. Anyway, not a laughing matter, unfortunately. And a lot of people did. And a lot of people were shot for cowardice during the period, but it was at least in, where or why it was a recognised phenomena. Yeah, just too much had been put on somebody. Okay, so sorry. Carry on about Mr Brown.
Martin Furber 5:54
Well, I was watching the programme about these young men, young soldiers in combat with Shell Shock. And I was looking at the physicality, is that the right word physicality of them? When they were walking, shaking, and almost almost like convulsions.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:14
They were probably hearing it still.
Martin Furber 6:17
Yeah, yeah, probably so, still hearing the noises off the war-fields. So this doctor, he was qualified as a medical doctor, then he did psychiatry. He did a MBBch degree in 1914. I don't know what that means you though.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:33
It's a doctor of medicine and surgery.
Martin Furber 6:38
But then he became a reader in psychology as well at the University of London. So he was doing psychotherapy on these people with shellshock. And I was reading further, he said he also embarked on suggestive therapy with them. And of course, suggestive therapy is...
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:59
Good old hypnosis. Yeah, I hadn't heard that one. Because we talk about suggestions all the time, but I hadn't heard it called that. And it's interesting.
Martin Furber 7:10
Yeah, he practised, suggestive therapy. And I thought, well, that sounds very much like hypnotherapy to me. So he had quite good success rates as well at helping these young men with their shell shock, which of course, we'd call PTSD now, don't we?
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:25
And it's still alive and kicking and finally getting recognised. Hypnotherapy is now recognised as a treatment for PTSD. Even by the VA here, I assume a similar situation with British servicemen, they also have access to health care, that would include hypnosis,
Martin Furber 7:44
I would imagine so. They have access to all kinds of sort of counselling and that kind of thing, you know, after they've been traumatised. But yeah, I mean, hypnotherapy is recommended for so many things now by the NHS. I would imagine they would include it for trauma as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:02
What sorts of trauma can result in that?
Martin Furber 8:07
Resulting in PTSD?
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:08
Yeah, you hear people talking about relatively minor things that have caused that kind of result, if you don't know, what tips the scales? Maybe they're having a wonderful day and something bad nearly happens, and they're fine. And then they're having a bad day, and something nearly happens, and they're not fine. I mean, it's just people are complicated.
Martin Furber 8:33
Well yeah, well, they do say don't they, like when it's been a threat to life sort of thing. You know, if somebody's having, like you say, they sit in a car or a near miss in something else.
Denise Billen-Mejia 8:43
Well, you yourself had PTSD?
Martin Furber 8:44
Well, yeah, following a very serious robbery, as you know, when I went to see my GP, and I'd explained what had happened and how I was feeling. My GP said to me, oh, it's PTSD. Well, I'm going back, you know, well, not that many years now. But at that time, this was before I was trained to be a therapist. I just associated PTSD with things like Shell Shock or worse, such as wars. Not with something that I'd been through. I didn't think you know, when they said, Oh, you've got PTSD. I've not been in a war. But it was, it was, and it was dealt with, thankfully, quickly.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:26
Was that your first introduction when you first realised that hypnosis was a thing? Or it just happened that you learned about this?
Martin Furber 9:35
Well, it wasn't even, the treatment I had, wasn't even billed as hypnosis as it were. I went for EMDR so, and the 'relaxation' afterwards was hypnotherapy. I mean, EMDR is to me, I think it's a form of hypnosis. EMDR therapists will be screaming everywhere. No, it's not Um, but yeah, I. The other thing, of course, linked with PTSD, when you were just saying somebody's had a near miss, for example, in a car crash or something, is that survivor guilt that in itself is like a form of PTSD as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:17
When other people have, if you, if you miss the car that's coming straight on but the guy behind you didn't, you could get survivor guilt, I suppose but yeah. I would imagine people who are refugees in this country or yours would have a tendency to feel guilty about the fact that they are now in a safe place themselves. It's weird. But
Martin Furber 10:51
It's funny how long
Denise Billen-Mejia 10:52
I'm wondering if they're being, I wonder if they're being offered hypnosis or EMDR, for that matter. For those things, they must have access to counselling if they're coming as refugees.
Martin Furber 11:02
There's a lot of charities in this country that help the refugees and people that have come here for protection because of war in their own country. I think we've got something like, I think it's about 200,000 people from Ukraine over here, you know, that have come to this country for shelter, I think it might even be more. There was a, I think on the news recently about how many of them have said that they'd like to stay here permanently now anyway. You know, even if the troubles were over tomorrow in their country, as it were, well, yeah, there's a lot of charities doing a lot of good work to help these people. I mean, you know, I can't imagine what it must be like to suddenly have to up-sticks, leave everything, your entire life, and go to a strange country.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:46
That if it was just that, that would be a shock.
Martin Furber 11:49
And then it's what's left behind over there as well, like you say, yeah, all the friends, relatives, or even the sight of their home city totally destroyed. That'd be enough to you know, yeah, traumatise, you certainly.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:01
Yeah. And there's a huge number of people affected by this. Now. We've got wars everywhere, it seems. All right, so, do you see people, you don't see people for PTSD yourself? Have you had any?
Martin Furber 12:17
I've seen people with PTSD. Yeah, absolutely. I have, and it's been helpful to them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:23
How do they get to you? Are they these people self refer? Or is it coming through the therapy clinic?
Martin Furber 12:28
These people have come through the clinics I work at
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:30
Okay.
Martin Furber 12:31
They've come to me for that kind of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:33
So usually they've had other forms of therapy.
Martin Furber 12:36
Yeah, here's the interesting thing that I found, and this is just anecdotal. What I found is where people have tried CBT and not had the success they wanted, hypnotherapy is really, really helpful.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:59
Have you had anybody who had? Have you had anybody come to hypnosis first and then go on to CBT?
Martin Furber 13:05
One or two? Yes. Because, again, not everything works for everybody. So in the interest of balance and fairness, yeah, I referred, I've referred clients who haven't had great success with hypnotherapy over to CBT. Because the two therapies are quite different. And I'm beginning to see there's a pattern here with which ones sort of seem to work for which types of people or which types of client.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:31
Do you use mostly direct suggestion?
Martin Furber 13:34
No indirect suggestion.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:36
Yeah, CBT is really fairly direct.
Martin Furber 13:39
Well, the thing with CBT is it tends to get the patient to focus on the issue. Yeah. Whereas what I do, we don't focus on the issue. We focus on everything But.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:49
But it may be something also just that they need to hear other people hearing what they've been through. We do, you hear it once, because we need to know what they're coming from. But you don't revisit that very often.
Martin Furber 13:52
Oh, absolutely. I mean, you need to know that your therapist knows where you're coming from, and what you've been through. Absolutely. I mean, we've said it before, I would never minimise what somebody says to me at the first meeting. And I always make it plain to them. We don't need to revisit it again. You know, I've repeated back to them like, No, I've understood what it is that's troubling them, what it is they've been through, but we just don't need to go there. Yeah. It's like if we do things, such as the rewind technique, okay. Now, if anybody's watching or listening to this that isn't familiar with that. It's a quite common hypnotherapeutic technique, where we may go back to before a traumatic event, and then go to after it. But again, we don't need to visit the actual event itself, do we when we do that technique?
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:56
You should acknowledge it happened.
Martin Furber 14:58
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean we've we've both said before now, don't worry, we can't erase bad memories. We can just change how you react to them. Perhaps how often you think about them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:07
Yes. Preferably, when you think about them, it's because you've chosen to think about them. Not intruding into your thoughts in the middle of the day or night.
Martin Furber 15:07
Yeah. But our minds are funny things ultimately. So you find talking...
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:20
Very scientific of you to notice!
Martin Furber 15:23
Thank you! Well, we can't all have a doctorate. No, but it's strange, though, how we will take comfort from keep going over something bad.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:39
But, of course, we know, that every time you look at something, you change it slightly, maybe that's what you're trying to do.
Martin Furber 15:45
Possibly, yeah, they do say that. I mean, that's, again, that's perhaps something interesting for our viewers and listeners, they might not be aware of, if they're not a hypnotherapist, but every time we recall a memory we do slightly change it, though. And either, if we're just adding to it, embellishing it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:04
Yeah, I think is that I think it's confabulation, your brain has needs a proper story. So you have to have a beginning and an end. And it puts those pieces in that you don't necessarily have.
Martin Furber 16:15
Yeah, or like you say, need an end. We all like closure on things, don't we. I mean, this is why if ever, you've had an argument with somebody and not had a chance to end it the way you wanted to.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:26
You're still arguing in the car.
Martin Furber 16:28
You'll re-run it in your head though, won't you, maybe change the ending. Yeah. So if I do anybody who's watching or listening to this, goes through that experience. Please be assured that's perfectly usual.
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:42
Absolutely. But if you do it a lot hypnosis probably can help you. Or maybe CBT, depending on you.
Martin Furber 16:49
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely
Denise Billen-Mejia 16:51
Well, actually, if somebody thinks, and has any of those more serious, in everything I see, it serious, because it's something that's happening to you. And I want to tsl;k it down, I don't mean to minimise any issue that not somebody comes for. But something that's truly debilitating, like PTSD, or even intrusive thoughts. Really, the first stop is the doctor.
Martin Furber 17:12
It's got to be yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:15
You'll hear, if you listen to this more than once you'll hear, with more than one episode of this, you'll still hear us say, consult your doctor.
Martin Furber 17:23
And just because Denise is in America doesn't mean she's on commission from the doctor's. No, in all seriousness, though, when we talk about things like repetitive thoughts, as I say, I just find it fascinating that our mind seeks to do that, as you say you're possibly trying to change it slightly every time. We can take comfort in going over and over something tragic that happened to us currently.
Denise Billen-Mejia 17:53
Maybe it also makes it almost mundane. If you see something over and over and over again, maybe you begin to...
Martin Furber 18:01
Well, that's strange because sometimes, and you'll perhaps acknowledge this from the work you used to do. When we see bad things frequently we can become desensitised to it can't we? Maybe that's our minds trying to desensitise ourselves to something terrible has happened by keep repeating it, except it's not quite doing its job properly. It's just re traumatising.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:28
So, what else did you glean from this show that you're watching, about this good doctor?
Martin Furber 18:35
Agatha Christie's husband was a philanderer.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:40
Old news!
Martin Furber 18:42
No, I just found it fascinating, that going back, well over 100 years ago now, that somebody was practising hypnotherapy on Harley Street, somebody who was a medical doctor as well.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:55
Yeah. Well, we know that Freud studied hypnotism and then chose to, maybe he was rebranding? I don't know. It's, been the victim of so much, of cycles. So this, oh, this is wonderful. It's the best thing since sliced bread. And then it just goes away again. And I know we're riding high at the moment, a lot of people using hypnosis. And I wonder when, if we'll be able to sustain it. Hmm, it's mostly a problem with over promising.
Martin Furber 19:30
Yeah. So some people, very well, or some clients over promise themselves, it's important to manage clients expectations, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:39
And remind them that they have to do some work in this process too, it's not. Yeah, not only do you have to show up, but please follow instructions.
Martin Furber 19:47
Yeah, well that's it, it's, you know, because of the nature of the way hypnosis might be perceived on television and that kind of thing.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:49
That's what I mean by the over promise.
Martin Furber 20:03
Yeah, I think a lot of people have the expectations that they can just come to us and off they go., problem solved. And it's not like that. It can be now and again, it can be now and again, but it's a little bit more than that they'd have to put some work in themselves.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:20
So, I don't think you would get over your fear of flying, and the next thing is to book a lesson in how to fly a plane, I don't think it'd be probably a good idea. Maybe the sense of control would work better for you.
Martin Furber 20:32
Well, we were talking before, before we came on air, though, about things like falling off a bike.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:39
Yeah, we say the old adage.
Martin Furber 20:42
That is, yeah, the best thing to do is get straight back on it again, you don't have time then to have that fear or for that fear to take a hold.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:48
Right? Yeah. Which, of course really is what we do when we rehearse with clients. That's what you're doing. You're metaphorically getting on the bike in your imagination or reminding your body it's a pleasant experience.
Martin Furber 21:07
Oh, yeah. I mean, well, this is it. And of course, it depends. If you were, for example, let's say you were hypnotising somebody to literally get back on their bike, after perhaps having a near miss with a car or something, you would go into great detail about that. I mean, you'd get them to absolutely be there in their mind. You know, whether it's feeling the wind in the hair, or whatever, the air around the ankles, because they've got short socks on as they're pedalling along or whatever. You know, I mean, again, if anybody's watching this, that's never been hypnotised, that's never had hypnosis done to them. The actual experience if you get, you know, into a nice, comfortable trance, the actual experience is very, very lifelike, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:50
Because that's the entire point. Yeah, which is how you build those new pathways and you will be better. I have not this year, I haven't had many, many so far this year, we're only in February, but I used to get quite a lot of people wanted to improve performance at things, so the one lady who wanted it was wanted to improve her billiards game. Alright, okay. So, that kind of rehearsal, they have to really imagine it. It's hard to imagine something if you haven't done it. I haven't had anybody come and say, teach me how to golf. No, I can't do that. We can get you better at it.
Martin Furber 22:28
Yeah, well, that reminds me of the British boxer, the world middleweight champion Glen Cately, who became world middleweight champion, I think it was. Any boxing fans, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Back in the 1980s or 90s, and he underwent hypnosis from David Newton. And before all these fights, and they went through exactly the same induction and deepener every single time. Then he practised focusing in the fight on knocking his opponent out. They did a visualisation of a cobra and a mongoose. Yeah, every single time they just did that visualisation repeatedly, repeatedly repeatedly. And on the, I think it was on Sky Sports, when the boxing match was televised, the commentator was sort of talking about Glen Cately's punching actions and this, that, and the other, and how he was completely in the zone, saying I think I'll have some of that hypnosis! He spoke about being hypnotised and how he helped him with his focus with his rehearsal for his game. As he went on to become a hypnotist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:47
That's interesting. I don't know him at all. I would I was never a boxing fan.
Martin Furber 23:54
I don't see the point in people knocking the brains out of each other.
Denise Billen-Mejia 23:59
Yeah, just we know it does cause problems. But that's a subject for a different channel. But this fellow Newton, I didn't know that name either.
Martin Furber 24:08
Newton. He was the founder of CPHT.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:13
Oh, okay.
Martin Furber 24:14
Back in the day.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:16
All right. So other issues other than PTSD? Was this other doctor famous for?
Martin Furber 24:23
I'm not entirely sure.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:25
I hadn't heard his name before.
Martin Furber 24:27
I know he was specialising in Shell Shock, as I say, and had quite good success with it. But I can't find any references to him talking about hypnotherapy only suggestive therapy and psychotherapy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:42
Well, the language changes every 20 or 30 years no, you see it now. People come and say I practice 'psych a' and, no you don't you practice hypnotism. It's the same thing. It's just rebranded.
Martin Furber 24:52
Yeah, well, yeah, well, the big one, of course is NLP.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:57
But, there is, you can do NLP without having use an induction. Yeah At least not consciously.
Martin Furber 25:05
I always say NLP is hypnotherapy with your eyes open. Now there are there are a lot of similar traits and of course it's a crossover actual certain procedures that are credited to NLP are using hypnotherapy the rewind technique be one of them.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:22
Do you ever see anybody that you don't put into put into trance, allowing them to go into trance by themselves? Which is what's really happening?
Martin Furber 25:33
Yes, I have to be careful now, I have one particular client at the moment, who does not like the procedure of laying back and being hypnotised. Okay, but they enjoy the talking therapy side of things, the pre talk. So we go into the pre talk, we talk and talk and talk. And I can see at a certain point that they're completely absorbed, shall I say,
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:06
So, it's really, it's conversational.
Martin Furber 26:08
Yeah, I wouldn't flatter myself to say so much like that, because you're starting to think straightaway, Erickson. I'm not talking in that league.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:20
I mean, very few people are in his league.
Martin Furber 26:23
But yeah, this client preferred, they said they felt more benefit from the first part of the session. And so I said, well, we'll just extend the first part of that. But in doing so, they go very, very quiet. And then they are completely absorbed in what I'm saying to them, the conversation turns into a monologue from myself. So yeah, I would say that sort of fits what you're saying or what you're asking. Yeah. What about you? Has that happnend with you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:53
I have a couple of people who just want to, some of my work I do is more coaching. Like a lot of the clients who come to me because they want better control over their weight, let's call it that this week. And I like to see them weekly. Normally, for my hypnosis clients, I see them every other week. And they have an audio to listen to, because the peak value comes usually about a week into after they've had a chance to practice all these things happening to them for a week. And then. So I usually see every two weeks but for weight issues, because doesn't matter how wonderfully effective the hypnosis session is, it's not going to fall off, literally. And so I think they benefit from having this sort of coaching, but obviously, it includes them listening to an audio at night, and talking to me about when they're sick of listening to that one, please I have another one, please redo whatever it is. But it really is just a conversation with them. And a few have said 'Can we do that thing? 'Extend extended for a little bit longer and do that thing. Again,
Martin Furber 28:04
Actually, you just reminded me to ask you something as well, talking of your weight management or weight control clients. Bearing in mind your previous profession, how often do you suggest your clients get weighed or do not suggest to get weighed?
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:17
I asked them how they want to monitor their success. Most of them want to know how much they've lost because they know they've lost something. So to suggest a couple of times a month, you don't want to go yeah, not knowing at all, not whether something is working for them for a month, because then they will last a month of time that might be useful. But that the easiest thing for most women at least is to say, Do you have an outfit that the waist is a little bit tight on you. And you want to just put that on as your see how you're doing for us something about once a week. So we have some idea if you feel like if you weigh yourself every day you drive yourself completely mad. It's water weight anyway. Yeah.
Martin Furber 29:03
That was gonna be the next question because even if somebody gets weighed every week, they might appear not to have lost weight that week. But it just so happens that morning when they're getting weighed, they had a lot of salt the day before. So their weight on the day after they would have lost three pounds.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:17
Right? Yeah, so unless you're gonna do morning and evening, every single day, you know, drive yourself mad. Well, most most of them. Most of them say they're going to use the their waist size and then they admit to me every couple of weeks I weighed myself
Martin Furber 29:32
I know, because obviously I don't have your medical background, but when I deal with weight management clients, I say get weighed once a fortnight.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:42
Yeah, I think that's about right. I did have somebody the other day and I had to pull up while we were talking the talking part of the session and she said when I go back to eating normal, is it No, no, we're finding your new normal, that's what we're doing - Your new normal.
Martin Furber 30:00
Well there you go. That's one of the buzzwords anyway post Covid Isn't it the new normal?
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:05
I think it's mostly because people feel that they're eating less and therefore they're losing. So it doesn't logically, doesn't sound logical to them, to be eating the same lesser amount and maintaining, but of course, that much food is keeping this, the additional food that you're eating is keeping that means that overweight at maintenance and once they get their head around that I think they're there okay. That's why I never say, don't give up any particular food. No, I mean, yes, cut down on sugar you can get along without it, the processed kind. But it's hard, but it isn't beneficial to people to become...
Martin Furber 30:49
Any kind of thing where they sense it's deprivation, then it's gonna fail. It's destined for failure.
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:55
Well when anything is a temporary solution, you don't want a temporary solution.
Martin Furber 31:00
No, what you do, you want people to change their habits over a period of time. The one thing with me I will ask or suggest or instruct people to get out of the habit of is over processed food. Not particularly because he's got eight ingredients in it, It's this one particular one, the flavour enhancer MSG. Because he just makes everything more-ish.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:27
Yes.
Martin Furber 31:30
You know, if you want to eat chilli, make a pan of it yourself. Don't buy it in a tin. Right, Denise, we've waffled on we've fillled the show.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:37
When when don't we waffle? All right. So I will see you in the very near future.
Martin Furber 31:43
You will, and next week's show we've got a guest on.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:46
Oh, good.
Martin Furber 31:47
We've got Dan Robertson. That's nice. I haven't met him yet. No, me neither. I've spoken with him online, but I've actually met him yet. So he's gonna be our guest on the next show.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:58
And he is also not a hypnotist.
Martin Furber 32:00
Now he's a psychotherapist, a BACP registered psychotherapist, and he does do guided meditations. So we'll let him explain next week. ll right, well I see you on the next one.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:14
I'll see you soon. Bye.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:24
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Martin Furber 32:40
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