Denise Billen-Mejia 0:07
Welcome to Two hypnotherapists talking with me, Denise Beillen-Mejia in Delaware, USA.
Martin Furber 0:13
And me Martin Furber in Preston UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:16
This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about fascinating subject of hypnosis, and the benefits it offers.
Martin Furber 0:24
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and psychotherapist,
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:27
I'm a retired medical doctor turned consulting hypnotist.
Martin Furber 0:31
We are two hypnotherapists talking.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:34
So let's get on with the episode.
Martin Furber 0:36
Let's get on with the episode indeed, and our guest this week is Helen Breward from in the UK.
Denise Billen-Mejia 0:43
Hi Helen. Good to see you again.
Helen Breward 0:46
Thank you. And it's lovely to see you both too.
Martin Furber 0:50
So Helen, let's talk about the kind of hypnotherapy you do because I'm not familiar with the type of stuff you do. So do you want to tell us a little bit about that? Tell our listeners.
Helen Breward 1:00
So when I'm working with clients, and I didn't actually realise this, it was Cheryl Elman that told me actually what I was doing. I was just, I was just doing me alright! Now. And then we all have to do, we all have to do ourselves because there's only us that can do ourselves. And if we're going to do good and great hypnotherapy with clients, we have to do it as ourselves. And we were chatting one day, and she said, Well, what you're actually saying, Helen is that you're a client centered hypnotherapist, and I went oh! I hadn't realised that. In training, there was no title, you were just a hypnotherapist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 1:39
Right.
Helen Breward 1:40
You know, I mean, nowadays, there's things like a solution-focused hypnotherapist. There's cognitive hypnotherapist. There's this is that and the other. And I thought, that's what I do then that's that. And it's quite in some respects. It's not a label, but it's quite nice to know, the type of hypnosis that I deliver is actually called this kind of thing. So, and then people say to me, Well, what do you mean by that? So what I mean by that is, when somebody comes to see me, I have a rough idea of what I'm going to do with you. But I actually don't know what I'm going to do with you till I have a chat with you. And whatever I decide to do with you is done in a way that is congruent with you. Not a textbook, not a scripted listing, and I've got that I've got to follow it word by word and I can't ad lib and I can't do this that the other.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:30
Right.
Helen Breward 2:30
This is purely about you and for you in your way, kind of kind of therapy.
Denise Billen-Mejia 2:37
And if you're not going to have that kind of client centred work, then that you may as well just hand of out tapes, it has to be customised to the client completely. And customised to how the client is that day, in that moment, because what they were feeling like last Saturday might be completely different.
Helen Breward 2:59
Yeah, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:00
Have You Ever Have you ever done, have you ever done an intake on a client and you've got, okay, you've got real good idea what you're going to do and they come in that day and it's all thrown-out?
Helen Breward 3:10
Thrown out the window! Yeah, absolutely. It happens very frequently. I have worked, before I work with a client I get, I get their notes out and I get a sheet of paper out and I write the name on the top. And I look at what we did last time, and I write literally one or two ideas of the techniques that I could do with them. It's not that often I'd actually do that. Yeah, occasionally I can. But it's just a couple of ideas to get me, you know, just to get me going, if I need to get going or I need an idea. But 9 times out of 10, I end up doing something completely different. Because they've moved, they've moved either further forward, or they've moved one sideways, or they've moved this way or that way. And now this has become a problem that has never been mentioned before. So then we need to work on that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 3:55
And I think sometimes that is just a product of the rapport you build with somebody. I wasn't going to mention this, but now I can see I can trust you with this piece of information. Yeah. Oh, would it work for this too? Can we talk about this? Yes.
Martin Furber 4:11
Yeah. I mean, I always say that with clients, the initial issue is never the issue. Two or three sessions down the line, something else always comes out. And as you say, Denise, I think it's to do with rapport and trust. Which you know, nobody will trust you 100% instantly from the first meeting. It's got to be built.
Denise Billen-Mejia 4:31
You would worry about somebody that did.
Martin Furber 4:33
Well, yeah.
Helen Breward 4:36
So I was I was talking to a potential new client the other day. And it was, it was a parents who want their teenage child, let's say. And at one point, one of the parents looked at me, I don't think they're giving you all the story. And I said, that's absolutely fine. I know that, and that's my, that's what I'm expecting. Because they have to learn to trust me.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:09
Yeah.
Helen Breward 5:10
This is fine. But no, no, no, honestly, it's fine. I have a few ideas of what else might be going on. But nobody is ever forced to say anything. You can talk about the weather, if all you want to do is talk about the weather, that's fine. Yeah. But you've got to build that rapport, that trust people have to trust you, before they can allow the real secret, or whatever it is the real issue, let's say to come out.
Martin Furber 5:40
Absolutely. Yeah. The one that, it is a wonderful profession, isn't it?
Helen Breward 5:49
It is it is it is.
Denise Billen-Mejia 5:54
So how long have you been a Hypnotherapist?
Helen Breward 6:00
12 years. Okay.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:02
Did you come at it from another healing art or healing-adjacent art? Just suddenly tickled your fancy and you studied it?
Helen Breward 6:11
No, no, I'll tell you how it came about. I was a school teacher, a primary school teacher. So I taught those children from sort of 5 to 11. I loved them, I think they're on the same wavelength as me, especially the little ones. Same, you know, same intellectual level which is great, I loved it. But I got to that point where there was too much stress. And I can't even begin to tell you how much stress was involved in teaching at that time.
Denise Billen-Mejia 6:42
Was OFSTED involved?
Helen Breward 6:44
That was one of them, was one of the stresses, just one. And it got to the point where I was spending three, no, I was spending, let's say 90% of my time, doing paperwork, to deliver the 10% that I was there to actually do, not the 90% of paperwork, and workflow. So you know, when you're working over 70 hours, every single week, day in day out without a break, then there comes a breaking point and I broke.
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:21
And being compensated for 40. You'll remember that too?
Helen Breward 7:27
It was about 35 actually we were being compensated for. It was nowhere near what we should have been though. But when I started, when I came out of that, I found...And actually do you remember? Do you know there's lots of times in your life isn't you know, when there's a sentence somebody says to you or something, a conversation you have that changes everything? Isn't there?
Denise Billen-Mejia 7:51
Yeah,
Helen Breward 7:51
This was my conversation. It was when I just had an observation by the head teacher, right? And they always give you feedback, which is great, feedback's good as long as it's done in a positive way. And she said to me, Helen, she said yes, she said, that was a really good lesson. And I thought okay, But! And I thought, here we go. I did notice that you were getting just a tiny little bit snippy with one of the children. Oh, yes, and I thought, if you've had her like I've had her you'd get a bit snippy too. But I actually thought, Do you know what? I know where this road leads to. This is where I go and break again. And I'm not going down that road again. And that was the conversation that led me to find a hypnotherapist, I came across by just by pure chance by the way. And I ended up having a whole series of sessions to help me deal with the stress and cope with it much better. So I didn't get snippy with the children or the husband for that matter. That was you know, that was what led me into hypnosis. I thought this is a bit good. This is isn't it? Everybody should know about this.
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:03
Exactly. Everybody should know about it, including children.
Helen Breward 9:08
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Interesting, isn't it?
Denise Billen-Mejia 9:13
So how...Did you just you train and then you handed in your notice? Or did you work part time and build up a practice?
Helen Breward 9:21
No, I did, I was working part time teaching while I was doing my training. And I did that for a few years because at that particular...You know when you pick the right time, alright and everybody else in the world, and not everybody else... There was a huge amount of people that would have gone no Helen, this is not the right time that you've got way too much on your plate. So at the time I just started my hypnosis training. My mother had just been diagnosed with cancer. And to be fair, she was actually terminal but we didn't find out for a little bit down the road. My daughter became pregnant with her first first child. And I became seriously ill. That's the time to start hypnosis! But I swear to this day, and hypnosis was the reason why I got through it all. Yeah, I don't think there's any other reason. It is the main reason how I got through everything with my sanity intact I have to hasten to say as well. But yeah, very interesting year I had, I have to say.
Helen Breward 9:23
It is amazing, how it can make you focus isn't it, when when you are faced with adversity? How once you learn the techniques, how you can skirt around them sort of thing?
Helen Breward 10:40
Yeah. And then you know, I was able to help my mum as well, you know, I gave her a little bit of comfort, she liked it, I did a at least one or two recordings for her, and she used to like to listen to them, she took them into the hospice at the end, the last couple of weeks. She was in hospice, and she took them in there, and she she listened to them when she when she wanted to as well. So you know, it gave her a bit of comfort towards the end. Yep, helped my dad as well, because there were times when you know, understandably, he was overwhelmed with everything that's going on. And it was something that took me out of that whole situation of everything that was going on. It took me out of that and it gave me some space to think about something else for a time.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:30
When your daughter had her baby, did she use hypnosis?
Helen Breward 11:33
I don't remember. I don't think she did actually. I think we were too busy with other things. We can think about that we didn't do that, it wasn't in our training. We didn't do that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 11:45
Yeah, it's not, it's usually an add on, but it's...Here. It's the one thing a bit they know smoking and they know childbirth. And it's like, those are the things it does. It doesn't do anything else. You know, it's right. Well, you've probably met people who've used hypnosis. Well, I think the royal family of late has used it.
Helen Breward 12:05
Yeah, Kate Middleton bless her soul. She did us all a world of good when she said that she was having hypnosis for childbirth. Because everybody then thought well say everybody is a very generalisation. People then thought oh, of Kate Middleton is having hypnosis, it must be Okay then.
Martin Furber 12:21
Funnily enough, I was, I was talking to a cousin of mine, about the hypnotherapy work I do. Because obviously, I changed into this career a few years ago now. And her eldest son is 30. She had hypnobirthing with him. Yeah. So you know, that's like 30 years ago over here.
Denise Billen-Mejia 12:41
Yeah, I think like, hypnosis, if you look at the history of hypnosis, it's got this huge wave. And it seems like it's really popular for five years. And then, oh, yeah, that works. Let's ignore it go put some new shiny object. And it's silly, because really, there's really no reason that we couldn't just learn this almost from birth. I mean, firstly, the first six or seven years anyway, you're just, you know, I trust you tell me stuff, and I believe you. And they use their imaginations all the time? And it really would be helpful, I think to teach it to teenagers the amount of stress that teenagers around?
Helen Breward 13:16
Yeah, well, I'm starting to see more and more teenagers coming through because they are so anxious and so stressed.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:25
Because of Covid, or exacerbated by Covid? Teenagers have always had quite a bit of stress. It's hard to go through.
Helen Breward 13:34
I think Covid has got a lot to do with it. I think being in isolation has got a lot to do with it.
Denise Billen-Mejia 13:38
Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah, I don't mean Covid itself. It's the ramifications of it. Yeah.
Helen Breward 13:42
And I think the pressure to, to perform exams has also got a lot to do with it as well. And of course, you've got to also understand while they were, and people do forget this, while we were in Covid, certainly 2020. And the kids were not at school, no school, their education was massively hit, but they're still expected to perform, right having missed a year, or more or less a year, you know, so...
Denise Billen-Mejia 14:09
Particularly the kids when it hit the exam cycles for the kids that were due to take the O levels or their A levels. And that was, yeah, that was really really...
Martin Furber 14:18
If you think about it,
Helen Breward 14:21
Sorry, say again?
Martin Furber 14:21
So I'm just gonna save you think about it, when you're very young, though a year seems to last forever doesn't it. For the best part of two years, these kids were in lockdown of one form or another. It's like, for, it's almost like 20% of their lives or a good 15% of their lives have been spent in lockdown.
Martin Furber 14:21
Honestly, I think part of it was it was on and off all the time. Are we going to school this week or not. It is the uncertainty of it was so... Here it was bad enough for adults but yeah, it for young kids. There were children who until they hit their second birthday, had never been out in company. They'd been with their parents in lockdown.
Helen Breward 15:01
Because after that I then then developed into I use my teaching skills and developed into training to the training side of things as well. I do my own CPD training. So I create my own courses, things that I've, I've developed myself, and I do training with those, but I also do the Hypnosis Training diploma.
Martin Furber 15:26
So tell me, tell me about the CPDs you've done Helen, what are they about?
Helen Breward 15:30
Um, I tend to pick a particular topic. The biggest one that I do is the menopause one. That's the one I'm generally known for. That's good. I really love that one mind. That that came out of my own personal experience of having to have a hysterectomy. And I'm lying there thinking... We're hypnotherapists, I've not long qualified. I'm a Hypnotherapist. I could do something about this. I'm not having flushes that ain't for me that.
Denise Billen-Mejia 15:58
Oh, you were...oh instant menopause. You went into instant menopause. You you had the hysterectomy, and that triggered it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, it's just like, oh, let's just boom,
Helen Breward 16:09
let's just go there. That does kind of fit in with my personality, all or nothing. So it did kind of fit when I thought about it afterwards. The best of it is that the surgeon came in the next day to see me after I'd had the operation, and he said, Oh, yeah, it went really well, Helen blah, blah, blah, blah. And he said, Yeah, I've noticed that you didn't lose very much blood at all. And I'm sat there smiling to myself, because I'm thinking, Yes, that's because I did hypnosis on recovering before I had the surgery. That's before. And I thought, yeah, I know that you didn't know that. But I do. But he just confirmed what I thought.
Martin Furber 16:46
Are you mainly online? Or do you see clients face to face a lot, or...
Helen Breward 16:51
I do both. If you'd have asked me a month ago, I'd have said to you, the clients that I'm dealing with about 95% face to face. Now we're back, now we're sort of towards the end of January, I've swung back to kind of like a sort of either a 50-50, or a 60-40 kind of swing. It's very strange how that happens. But people have got more used to working online, which is a good thing, because we can all reach further now, not just our tight little community. So it has broadened the world massively. So yeah.
Martin Furber 17:32
Well, what I have a recent experience of Helen, a client that was having a course of hypnotherapy. I think it was on week four, they were away for a week, on holiday. Not a problem, they still have their therapy that week on Zoom.
Helen Breward 17:47
The best one is when you're in a hotel room, and you've got the beach there, and you're just doing a client. And then you think right when I'm finished, I'm of to the beach!
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:03
But that, not perhaps for the client, so much, but if the client is travelling, it also means they don't have to, you don't have to deal with traffic. I mean, obviously, we're going to come from the beach to see you. But also just the fact that it can, it's easier to fit an hour session with you, and without the half hour to get to you, the half hour to get back, the half hour really stuck because Biden's travelling through or whatever else might. And the stress of that which interferes really with that sort of integration.
Helen Breward 18:29
Yeah, it is, online is more convenient. Like you say, because there is no travelling, it can be Oh, I'm just logging out of work for an hour just while I have my session, and then I can log back in again. You don't have to worry about finding your way there, parking, and all this that and the other.
Denise Billen-Mejia 18:47
I, I do, I Obviously, I can't forbid my clients to do things. But I do suggest that they put it at the end of the day. So if they're if they're at work, they want to see me at five o'clock at work. They give themselves a half hour before they go get in the car. And to not put it in the middle of the day, because then they get all stressed out again. I mean, obviously I don't want to work all evening every evening. But I really try for the people that can't just chill at home for an hour. We would try to move it towards the evening.
Helen Breward 19:18
Yeah, yeah.
Denise Billen-Mejia 19:18
Some people have said, well, can you do eight o'clock before I go to work? Why just sort of, not wasted, but you're getting half of the effect. Really, if you put all that stress right on top of it.
Martin Furber 19:28
Yeah, you're not getting the chance to savour it and let it kick in. So what do you mainly see clients for Helen?
Helen Breward 19:36
Oh, now that varies. I don't know about you, but I tend to find they come in waves. So I tend to find I get a whole load of people for stress. Whole load of people for menopause. It's almost like the signal goes out, right? We're all doing this this time. Come on off, and they all come in, and then I'll get a load for weight loss. And then I'll get the odd one or two for a long-way for different things. But I do quite often find things do sort of come in some waves. Now, whether that's because I've been concentrating on something, or I've been marketing for that particular thing. Maybe that's what it is.
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:14
Yeah.
Helen Breward 20:15
But it's an interesting thing, how that happens sometimes.
Martin Furber 20:18
Especially with weight loss though, recommendation is because somebody, you know, starts losing weight, and they tell their friends how we're doing it, then...
Helen Breward 20:25
Yeah, yeah,
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:26
Yeah, that definitely helps. Do you? Do you market in a particular format? Do you use Facebook? Or do you run local ads or write blogs, what's your usual means?
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:26
I'd like to write blogs. I'm very capable of writing blogs,
Denise Billen-Mejia 20:43
But somehow you don't!
Helen Breward 20:44
But marketing usually is a multiple of strands. Throughout lockdown, every single client I had throughout the whole of Covid was all word of mouth. So that was a very interesting thing. I do get quite a few word of mouth stuff, which I'm sure we all do. Some of them come from Google, though, I do need to do something about my adverts on Google at the moment. Some of it from social media, I do advertise in the local paper. It's lots of different things. And it should be lots of different strands, that you market not just one way, because if one starts to fall for some reason,
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:29
Or something else comes up...
Helen Breward 21:30
Or something decreases for some reason, you've got others to back it up. If you're just marketing, or relying solely on let's say, word of mouth, for instance, then you may find that you might have a tricky spot along the way, sometimes if that fails, unless you've got so many people recommending you, all at the same time, consistently.
Denise Billen-Mejia 21:56
Do you belong to any of the big networking groups, other than the hypnotist ones? You know, the BNIs of the world.
Helen Breward 22:04
I used to belong to BNI, I stepped out of that, during Covid actually. I had so much stuff on at home. So much stuff that I was doing and developing that I couldn't really give it the credit that it needed, and the attention that it needed without dropping the ball on something else that that I was working on for my own business. Yeah, I stepped away for a while...How about you?
Denise Billen-Mejia 22:36
I belonged to one of the local chambers, which got me to get to know quite a lot of people. I've dropped back from it now. I'm pretty sure the gentleman who runs it wouldn't be watching this. So I can say mostly because he mansplained and drove me mad! I do, I'm still quite friendly with several of those people. So they're a little feed mostly Facebook groups of locals. So there's some interaction and meet them at the shop as well as meeting them online for a group meeting. That and thankfully, this, YouTube, my own. I have Myth, Magic Medicine, which is two doctors talking. Where I'm interviewing another physician about whatever the physician wants to talk about. But sometimes we get around to hypnosis too. And then yeah, Facebook and word of mouth. And Google My Business is very, I get a lot, I'm finally getting people from further afield. It's interesting, it was right around where I live, and then it was, it just got a bit bigger, then the rest of the state and now we've dropped down to Virginia. So that's good.
Helen Breward 23:47
What about you, Martin?
Martin Furber 23:48
Well, I do...Well I do this podcast with Denise of course. And I do my local newspaper column.
Helen Breward 23:57
Oh, lovely.
Martin Furber 23:58
Yeah, yeah, I've been doing that almost a year now, even though it was only supposed to be for a month. Yeah, and then I've recently joined in to a private mental health care clinic, so I'm working from there. They've got nine consultant psychiatrists and other therapists in there like CBT and that kind of thing. But I'm the only hypnotherapist there so I'm getting in-house referrals, plus, they do a lot of advertising and things. So I'm getting, I'm getting you know, the business that way. I am on social media LinkedIn and Facebook.
Denise Billen-Mejia 24:43
You're right, I I've I forgot, I have a radio thing too, which is just a once a month thing. So I think, I think those things are just gradually picking it up. I don't like to do paid advertising. It hurts me when I do paid advertising.
Martin Furber 24:59
You know this thing with social media these days because the advertising the they used to talk about above the line. And below the line was what you paid for and below the line was what you didn't pay for and you had to use a bit of thinking power. You know whether that was sending 50 faxes out to people's fax machines or something. I mean, social media is all below the line, isn't it unless you choose to pay for it and get a bigger coverage. But that's all it is. It's just using your imagination and ingenuity to reach people below the line.
Denise Billen-Mejia 25:29
Yeah, it depends on how big your groups are, and whether people want to share. So they say something interesting enough, they'll share it. Attach your post to a really beautiful picture of a cat. Maybe it'll move.
Helen Breward 25:40
I was just gonna say oh, the cat, I use my cat. She gets more she gets more attention than I ever do. I have to say, you know, I put a picture up of Molly being groomed and it immediately reaches hundreds of people.
Martin Furber 25:56
Talking about teaching and cats, a couple of weeks ago, I was doing some work in schools with a charity on diversity and inclusion. And part of the presentation was putting all these photographs up on the screen of me and my life. With a class of five to six year olds, every single question, who's the cat? What's the cat called? How old is the cat? They didn't want to know about anything else.
Helen Breward 26:22
Have you got a cat?
Martin Furber 26:23
Yeah, yep, a Bengal.
Denise Billen-Mejia 26:26
Oh, it usually will be in the room too. So I'm not sure she's usually singing to us.
Helen Breward 26:31
Molly's still having a post-Tea snooze.
Martin Furber 26:36
I inherited my Bengal 10 years ago when my Mum died. And at that time, she was 10. You read all the books and they say average lifespan of a Bengal is 12 to 15 years. She's 20 this coming May and she still looks exactly the same as when she was 10. Typical Bengal, you know they sing all night. Sleep all day, and they try to rule the roost. Oh yeah. She's like she's in peak of health. You just she doesn't want like a 20 year old cat.
Helen Breward 27:10
Molly's Norwegian Forest crossed with something else. She's a big fur ball.
Denise Billen-Mejia 27:15
That's big. Like it's like a Maine Coon sort of size right there.
Helen Breward 27:18
Yes. Very similar to a Maine Coon. She's got little stumpy legs. She is beautiful. But she was a stray that turned up one night. It's a bit of a kind of like a typical Disney story. She turned up it was tipping down with rain. She was drenched, miserable thing she was only tiny and she was Meowing. Claire's crying, I'm crying, Colin's going 'let the bloody cat in'. Feeding you know, of course we've got to feed it sort of back in 2010 and she's still here. Not far off your'e age actually. She's 18 this year, she doesn't look18. Even the Vet keeps saying, are you sure she's 18 - Yes I'm positive!
Martin Furber 28:06
Yeah, well when we first took her to our local vet here because we've only moved back into his house few years ago. We took her to the vet centre, he read her microchip, and he was like - oh surprised at how old she was, because obviously the date's on the microchip isn't it from when she was first registered. Yeah, she's a total nightmare. She tries to rule the roost, while she knows exactly how to play you. They can play you like to fiddle she can absolutely play you like a fiddle and my other half is 10 times softer than me, and she runs rings around and he's stupid enough to let her.
Helen Breward 28:44
My husband, the one that said, well you can have her in but I'm having nothing to do with her!
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:49
Oh yeah - Has Ha!
Denise Billen-Mejia 28:51
She's on his Facebook page!
Martin Furber 28:57
Are they sleeping together on the sofa?
Helen Breward 28:59
Oh, yeah. She lies on his chest, she sticks her nose on his nose. They have a conversation, cuddles and, oh my God! Oh.
Martin Furber 29:12
We're nearly at the end of our recording time, let's talk about some more hypnosis before we go.
Helen Breward 29:18
I think my cat, she's the absolute perfect hypnotist.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:25
And that I think should be the title of this one. I think it should be Helen Breward, hypnosis and cats.
Martin Furber 29:32
Why not? Why not? This is the whole thing though Helen. Every conversation is just a conversation. You'd be surprised at some of the viewing and listening figures on some of the way-out conversations. All we want to get across to people is hypnotists - hypnotherapists are regular normal people who have just chosen to go into this kind of helping profession. We want to remove that mystique you know and get away from people who think it's the dark-arts or swinging watches or whatever.
Denise Billen-Mejia 29:59
Or worse - Cloaks!!
Helen Breward 29:59
I've had the conversation about the swinging watch and everybody like you say, there are people that think oh yeah, there's that mystical swinging watch I go no, no, no, no. The watch is purely to grab your attention. That's all that's all it's for.
Martin Furber 30:16
The daft thing is Helen, long before I became a hypnotherapist, I was a jeweller, a bespoke jeweller for 20 odd years so look what I have in my drawer! - Although nothing to do with hypnosis.
Helen Breward 30:34
Oh dear, and we're supposed to be like normal people!
Denise Billen-Mejia 30:41
As normal as everybody else yeah!
Helen Breward 30:47
You can imagine the picture, and I swear to you I do this, not all the time, but I do do it sometimes. So I'll be sat in my office I've got a client sat in front of me, we're having a lovely conversation about God knows what and once people get to know me quite well I obviously have a thinking face right. Now that I'm thinking face while I'm doing therapy is me arguing with myself. So and they'll say to me this one chap said to me one day what's going on in your head Helen? So you'd be sorry, you asked that question in a second. And I said well, it's like this. I said, I've got part of me going we should do this we can do that, we can do the other. And I said, and then there's the other side of me goes No no no, no, no, no no we need to do this. And then this bit's going, No, no, no, no, no, no, we can do that. And this is how it goes on in my head. And he said, I think we should swap places.
Denise Billen-Mejia 31:45
That's lovely!
Helen Breward 31:55
I'm just working through what exactly what to do with you and how to do it that's all, I working through.
Martin Furber 32:02
You've got to reason it out. I mean, how you sort of have your own inner-communications, everybody's unique anyway. Reasoning things out arguing thing's out, perfectly normal, is in my book anyway.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:20
Therapists agree, hypnotherapists are normal.
Martin Furber 32:25
Helen, thank you for coming on, that has gone far, far too quickly, you'll have to come on another one with us. That has gotten far, far too quickly. But thank you for coming on. We're gonna put your contact details in the show notes below. So anybody who wants to get in touch with you directly and talk to you about having hypnotherapy can do. But thank you very, very much for coming on.
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:45
Thank you so much.
Helen Breward 32:46
Very welcome. And thank you so much for having me - indulging me!
Denise Billen-Mejia 32:59
We hope you've enjoyed listening. Please remember, this podcast is designed to give you an insight into therapeutic hypnosis, and is for educational purposes only. So remember, consult with your own healthcare professional if you think something you've heard may apply to you or a loved one.
Martin Furber 33:16
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